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Health Care is Not a Right

A short talk given by the greatest living philosopher, Leonard Peikoff, several years ago which is still relevant today.

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by BetterThanYou

submitted March 25th 2010

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Here, let me save you 23 minutes.
Video Recap:
"Hi, my name is Leonard Peikoff, and I am a selfish douche."
The end.
8 years ago
well thank you for that. i do believe you've nailed it.
8 years ago
You forgot racist. State-run health care can't be opposed without being a flaming racist.
8 years ago
He is probably homo-phobic too. I mean, there has to be many, many gay dudes with impacted fecal matter who are not getting the proper care due to a lack of health care insurance.
8 years ago
thx
8 years ago
greatest living philosopher according to who, exactly?
8 years ago
The fact that he got everything right and can and has proven his every tenet.
8 years ago
oh yeah, everything he said is irrefutable. no seriously, jefferson himself would have agreed. in fact for awhile there i thought this guy was channeling jefferson. seriously.
8 years ago
i fucking mean it.
8 years ago
I meant in his books. But his talk is pretty self contained.
8 years ago
Being right about that has shit all to do with being the "greatest living philosopher"
8 years ago
Being right about the rest of philosophy however has everything to do with it.
8 years ago
ur a fucking cunt
8 years ago
sounds like he's either a polemic or just totally out of touch with reality. Either way, the guy is wrong.
8 years ago
How is he "right" about the rest of philosophy? Almost by definition, there is no "right" in philosophy
8 years ago
That there is no right in philosophy is just a belief within certain modern philosophies. They are mistaken.

Philosophy is just the study of the basic nature of reality and our relationship to it. We can know things about reality and we can know things about ourselves.
8 years ago
You ass, you just stated there is no right in Phil except your own, fuck you and your garbage education.
8 years ago
If it wasn't right and proven to be right it would not be mine.
8 years ago
Wow, thank's you fuckin fortune cookie. Do me a favor, prove it.
8 years ago
Finding it difficult to prove Phil?
8 years ago
That's easy. Go read a book or two about it. If you expect me to prove an entire philosophy in the space of a Muchosucko comment then go fuck yourself.
8 years ago
lol prove an entire philosophy... LOL
8 years ago
Ha ha ha ha ha
8 years ago
If you don't think it can be done just go look.
8 years ago
You remind me of myself in several ways betterthanyou. Are you a member of 'armed'?

I feel like I have been debating similar perspectives for a very long time, what I feel like I have learned is that some people get it, and others don't. Some folks, not just here, are just egotistical, aggressive, hostile, angry people who are locked into a sort of rejection like state. It comes more often than not that it would appear that several who comment on videos or topics either do not understand the topic, the content of the topic, or they didn't bother taking in the subject in full. I don't think you or I could ever convince a large majority of people of anything other than what their parents or a few of their friends believe. The ideas and words displayed in this video are difficult to debate or argue to any degree, the perspective that personable responsibility and freedom are good and basically anything that destroys that is evil is easy enough to understand and would be assumed that generally everyone in the US, Canada and the entire world would know and accept this. As it goes, it doesn't. People believe that debt, stealing, disarmament, and imprisonment are paths to freedom. Someday, when they find themselves some place that they didn't want to be thanks to the ideas that stole their freedoms, they will likely begin singing a tune that is too late to be heard by anyone who cares.
8 years ago
Now look at what you did...you woke pinjas up to give us one of his lectures :(
8 years ago
What the fuck did he just say?

I see a lot of words bereft of any actual meaning.
8 years ago
I dunno oj...but I think he may be trying to run for congress.
8 years ago
He's asking betterthanyou to fuck him in the arse
8 years ago
I know all a little Ayn Rand's objectivism and libertarianism. Her metaphysics (and hence Peikoff's) is in no way proven and is disputed by many modern philosophers, the tenuous influence her objectivism has on her ethics and in turn politics is also widely disputed and in no way 'proven'.
The slippery slope argument being applied by Peikoff here is a reflection of dangerously naive idealism based on dodgy metaphysical and ethical tenets (which nobody with half a brain would say are 'proven'). Although Obama has been accused of socialist idealism himself, accepting that society works better when there is some sort of government body exerting limited control over the market does not make him a socialist. Searching for policies which attain the most effective middle ground is never going to be ideal but it's the best we have at the moment.
8 years ago
*a little about
Don't feel obliged to read the above.
8 years ago
^dullard!
8 years ago
wtf did this asshole get a phd in philosophy from glen becks school of thought?

there is no right or wrong in philosophy except whenever the fuck you open your mouth dipshit
8 years ago
thread tl,dr
8 years ago
This dumbass misses the point.
8 years ago
Which is what exactly? He covered everything.
8 years ago
wow fuck this guy he just said it is the burden of the middle class to pay for the rich. I'm not going to argue with any of you ignorant fucks, so fuck you
8 years ago
lol He said no such thing.
8 years ago
"The rich do not make enough money to support the bulk of the taxes so it's up to the middle class"
8 years ago
Way to quote out of context. He is talking about who would end up paying not who should pay. He's in fact against all taxes.
8 years ago
i'm not about to listen to this again but i think he was saying that there aren't enough rich people to pay for universal health care, or clinton's half-assed healthcare bill. but i'm half drunk and tired as fuck and don't really give a shit.
8 years ago
The upper class already pay the majority of your taxes, wtf are you talking about?
8 years ago
I'm sure you're part of the the upper class that's paying all those taxes, right pussy?
8 years ago
LOL not even close
8 years ago
Pussy just sits on his stoop drinking 40oz.
8 years ago
You are black right, Pussy?
8 years ago
As black as 1rish's parents.
8 years ago
Judge Napalitano >
8 years ago
well since he brings up the DoI, gee let's see a quote, shall we?

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

it says that "life" is an unalienable right. well say you have a health issue... doesn't matter if it's strep or the flu or cancer, that shit can kill you. without health care, you could have no life, so without access to health care, you're being denied the unalienable right to life.

as just one example, a great number of us would not be here today without the benefit of antibiotics. does that mean the access to those medications protected out right to life?

fuck yeah it does.
8 years ago
not only "out right to life" but also "our right to life". i meant both. yeah.
8 years ago
Agreed TiredGuy. You would think that Leonard would see that while he is masturbating to the DoI. Meh he probably just jerks off to pictures of Ayn Rand though.
8 years ago
I'm doing that right now.
8 years ago
There is no way, that in 1787, the founding fathers envisioned the fucking government to pay for the people's healthcare. "Independence" means just that- if we wanted to be nanny-ized, we would have kept close to the British tit and adopted their broke-ass entitlement model.
8 years ago
You broke off from the British tit to establish independence, & then used germ warfare in Korea to maintain that...independence?
8 years ago
i'm pretty sure the founding fathers didn't envision 52 cents of every tax dollar going to the military budget, either, but hey i'm just sayin.
8 years ago
and i'm pretty sure the pilgrim fathers didnt envisages founding a country of stupid fucking morons
8 years ago
Zing!
8 years ago
I have a sudden urge to watch Deadwood....
8 years ago
I hate both of you douches now :-P
8 years ago
No you don't.
8 years ago
Would someone please explain altruism to these idiots...money < people, if you disagree you're morally bankrupt.
8 years ago
Morally bankrupt according to your own moral code. There's lots of "idiots" willing to live with that.
8 years ago
yea, and i bet most of them are "christians"
8 years ago
Considering he has written extensively about altruism I'm sure he knows more about it than anyone here.

And no, we are not Christians.
8 years ago
yes, he obviously has a selfless concern for others...
8 years ago
Adams, your moral high ground argument blows.

Altruism at gunpoint=armed robbery. Period.

Maybe the truly morally bankrupt folks are those who believe no one would ever help anyone else unless strong-armed into doing so?

Just a thought.
8 years ago
yes, people who cant be bothered enough to have the compassion to care for others being taxed to contribute for the betterment of society, absolutely horrible idea. I mean being a greedy, selfish prick is a right...right?
8 years ago
I like that you used the phrase "OTHERS being taxed" as if it excludes you. Does it?

The people who wrote the bill excluded themselves (congressional aides) as well as the members of congress who voted it into law... NOW WHY ON EARTH WOULD THEY DO THAT?!

So which are you, a govt stooge, or a lazy fuck who stands to benefit from my "altruism"?
8 years ago
Also, while you're at it, define "society".
8 years ago
Dude, read 42Adams post again. You didn't get what he was saying.
That being said, I work pretty damn hard for my money (so hard for it honey). I have my own Health Insurance. But, if bumping up my taxes some will help someone in need I am all for it. Call it altruism, or being a "govt stooge", or whatever, I call it being a decent person.
And, before you call me some "rich elite" i fall squarely in the middle income bracket.
Now fuck you, I am going back to making really god-damned stupid jokes, that don't make anyone else laugh except me!
8 years ago
Dude, are you speaking for him?

Fuck off.
8 years ago
Yes roland, oograh, even though he wasn't speaking for me he pointed out the obvious point you ignored. I don't mind paying more in taxes if it helps those in need.

If you've got such an issue with taxes why aren't you going on about the billions of dollars we spend on wars we don't need to be in? hundreds of billions of dollars spend to make sure we can kill other people vs billions of dollars spent so our population can afford healthcare...one of those doesn't seem quite right...
8 years ago
1. Iraq is bs. I never claimed different.

2. You didn't answer any of the three of my questions from above, so aside from your misdirection, I'll await your wisdom on each with heart in hand.

Go!
8 years ago
"this was the approach that made the United States the first free country in all of world history" <---- LOL!

Wow this was an amazing 'speech' filled with nearly nothing accurate but that quote was the best....the best!!
8 years ago
The only thing that ever kept the U.S. from being truly free was (and is) government interference.



8 years ago
You were free under old George. But your black market tea traders convinced everyone else that you were being persecuted, when in fact, you weren't.
8 years ago
You idiots pwned yourselves.
8 years ago
The guy in the video had some good points. Esp about govt not being productive and the only way they make money is thru confiscation of your income.
8 years ago
^ur a stupid cunt.
8 years ago
why you all up on my nut-sac?
8 years ago
Maybe it is because you're such a stupid cunt?
8 years ago
"Esp about govt not being productive and the only way they make money is thru confiscation of your income."

^Dumbest thing ever, in the history of everything!
8 years ago
Explain to me genius, how govt has been productive for us Americans?

Get off my dick nigga.
8 years ago
"Esp about govt not being productive and the only way they make money is thru confiscation of your income."

Opposed to the government acting like a business, with implied efficiencies?

Of course the government confiscates your income, it's called 'taxation', you fucking dumb cunt. How else do you expect it to pay for everything. Other than borrowing trillions....more, obviously.
8 years ago
Asking for charity, like most organizations do.
8 years ago
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! a charity run government! LMAO!
8 years ago
Would you rather give money to fix your roads or to give it to Israel? Funny huh.
8 years ago
That money given to Israel is from taxation, dumbass. It's just allocated as foreign aid.

Just shut the fuck up.
8 years ago
REALLY OJ!!!! DUHHH!! I could have swore it was from charity, cuz I love paying for them to slaughter Palestinians.
8 years ago
He should've gone to Specsavers
8 years ago
I can't listen to the videos with all these stupid fucking ads playing at the same time.
8 years ago
urkel, use the firefox browser and get adblock for it
8 years ago
Yeah....those damn ads...

grrrrr, bad ads...
8 years ago
Yak doesn't like you using Adblock.

I mean...whats ad block?
8 years ago
hehe
8 years ago
if i had to guess i would say it had something to do with math, but i don't know much about math or computers so i'm probably wrong :(
8 years ago
I use firefox. Those ads are gone now. There were 3 dish soap ads with some annoying bitch talking louder than the videos.
8 years ago
That was my wife.
8 years ago
Absolutely terrible speaker.
8 years ago
I had no idea who this guy was.

I just did a little reading on him, & his belief.

The man is a douche.
8 years ago
I thing he is actually trying to bring about WW3.
8 years ago
think*
8 years ago
To quote you "^Dumbest thing ever, in the history of everything!" Couldn't have said it any better.
8 years ago
Do you actually hang around this website all day replying to people's posts?
8 years ago
Yes.
8 years ago
O ok. Just wondering.
8 years ago
You had me at 'individual rights'

Then I saw jailbait to the right ...
8 years ago
just the usual boring useless ayn rand crap...
8 years ago
another amazing piece of moral insight:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoAWCwm-UXw
8 years ago
The man is a super douche.
8 years ago
This I know - that I know nothing.
i like that saying.its easy to comprehend.even for a moron like me
8 years ago
Well, this is a chilling throwback to the 1930`s. I think the us needs a political bureau that can super seed the thought of equal treatment of people,p
Redirect 10% of the defense budget to the people and then the red cross and other international relief organizations would not need to help the US citizens.


8 years ago
10% would equate to around $300 billion.

Yes, that should about do it.
8 years ago
The US received over $30 million in aid after Hurricane Katrina, plus all the other material aid & expertise.

Funny that.
8 years ago
No, make that $130 million.

lol
8 years ago
What is needed is change, and yes we can, still nothing gets done due to lack of money! How about investing money in North Korean arms development, that should do it!
8 years ago
well, if norway would invest all of its oil profits into cryogenics and DNA research, we might be able to clone Hitler!
8 years ago
I Løv you Possum
8 years ago
but don`t get your hopes up
8 years ago
1930? No, 1776.
8 years ago
type 1776 into google and see what you get !
8 years ago
The American revolution?
8 years ago
He looks like the head vampire guy from "lost boys"
8 years ago
borracho5000 is a filthy spic that sucks crusty infected cock and licks shit out his fathers ass. Also he likes getting assfucked by niggers like he was in prison.
8 years ago
If you live in the most successful and prosperous country in the world, you should enjoy the "dividends" of living here...if they can do it in Canada and France, we should be able to do it better for less...When this guy gets a flat on a rainy night all alone, please drive by and throw this out the window...
8 years ago
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