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Richard Dawkins: The god delusion excerpt: Rich reads his hate mail

god & his minions are evidently vicious & spiteful

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by dirtyrottensteve

submitted April 6th 2009

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*sigh* sad thing is these ignorant morons are the majority in a lot of places.
9 years ago
like the bible belt? all those smug little inbred motherfuckers listening to ted faggard etc.
9 years ago
the bible belt is where common sense and logic go to die
9 years ago
It's not that bad. American atheism is on the rise. I guess they're realizing that if a secular government exists, the tangible benefits of religion aren't worth a lifestyle one doesn't believe in anyways.
9 years ago
When will we tax the fucking churches.
9 years ago
ha never, even though they meddle with politics, like utah and prop 80 this past election, keeping the gays like alec13 from getting married
9 years ago
i can only pray that sometime in my lifetime i will see the federal government start taxing churches
9 years ago
Me and my lover paul will pray with you.
9 years ago
That's a weird thing to pray..
Maybe it'd be cool if they followed the Constitution and stopped taxing everyone.

Just a suggestion..
9 years ago
Residents of Rome, which is rarely hit by seismic activity, were woken by the quake, which rattled furniture and swayed lights in most of central Italy. It struck shortly after 3:30 a.m. (0130 GMT).

Pope Benedict said he was saying a special prayer for the victims.

Alot of good that will do.
9 years ago
got to sleep!
I'm asleep right now, this is just me sleep-muchoing.
9 years ago
wide awake
9 years ago
Pointing out the stupidity of religious people doesn't prove shit. This is why Dawkins bothers me. He seems to think the stupidity of Christians actually proves shit for atheism.
9 years ago
He doesn't need to argue it.
The reason these people get so fucking angry with him, is because deep down in their demented self conscience, they know he is right.
They make irrelevant threats because they have no other argument. It's just like when someone here on mucho gets pwnd and they comeback with a "yo momma" joke.
The world will never be successful if religion prevails.
9 years ago
If you've seen expelled, he does the same thing with Ben Stein. He is bad at explaining evolution vs. intelligent design.
9 years ago
your momma
9 years ago
alec, its called projection, these people have deep rooted insecurities with their belief system so they overzealously attack anyone who challenges their faith. Its sad really
9 years ago
It's more of an argument to point out the hypocrisy and intolerance of most religious people
9 years ago
He doesn't need to argue it? It's his job to do so. Perhaps you don't and I don't, but since he is building his career around it, then yes, he does. People think that listening to some religious fuckhead means that religion is stupid, which is not the case. People are stupid because people are fucking stupid. It doesn't matter what they believe in. And the world never being successful as long as religion prevails? Ha ha ha. What are you? Marilyn Manson? It's ridiculous how people think if religion goes away, the world becomes a utopia. The world is fucked up now with religion and it will be fucked up without religion.
9 years ago
Expelled was crappy =\

But so was Religulous (it was funny, but didn't really reach any level of enlightening information)
9 years ago
How do you know that? Religion has always existed in modern society.
We have never been free of religion, it has only caused war and competition. Take that out of the equation and I can guarantee it won't hurt.
9 years ago
Supraliminal, no atheist has ever said the world will be a utopia without religion, but the idea of no one justifying the killing of other people because "god" said it was ok sounds like something to shoot for to me. people will always be able find personal justifications for the heinous things they do, I would just like to see the "the bible says (insert racist, homophobic, or just plane hateful/stupid idea)" go away, same goes with lunacy of the qur'an and all other ambrahamic sects.
9 years ago
People get this sense of superiority with religion. But with religion, there is no way to prove that one is wrong and one is right. There is no logic behind it.
9 years ago
So take out a major aspect of people's lives and you believe blindly that it will not hurt? Are you serious? Do you really believe all those wars have been solely caused by religion? I mean, it couldn't have been for land or any other reason that people have wars. In history books, when they are going over what caused so and so war to happen, I'm sure it's a big white page with the words "religion" imprinted at the center, right?
Jesus, people need to take a course to become an atheist.
9 years ago
42Adams, you're right, people WILL always find a reason to do fucked up shit, so what difference does it make if they say it's for their Hawk god or because they wanted to?
And Alec13, atheists are the ones who have a sense of superiority. They think because they don't believe in superstitions or whatever, they are better. In reality, everyone is fucking stupid, and how smart someone is isn't based on their personal dogma. And there is actually a lot of logic to some of the laws in religion. But people are so hellbent on separating themselves from religion, they lose any useful guidance religion CAN offer.
9 years ago
explain israel
9 years ago
Dawkins proves a lot, there are many lectures of his on the internet. You seem to be overlooking that fact that he has books on the subject too, i.e The God Delusion.

You want to stop talking shit, Supra?
9 years ago
Israelites are assholes? Ever thought of that? People are quick to blame religion while ignoring the fact that people naturally will do whatever they want for personal gain. Religion is just a cover people use for their actions.
9 years ago
I don't consider myself an athiest.
I think people should naturally have a set of moral values.
I think it would be too hard for the average person to differentiate whats is morally correct, and whats plain ridiculous from the bible/torah/qur'an. I don't blame them either because when your young, you do as your told.
I think religion has a lot of brainwashing aspects to it and if someone is smart enough to take what they need from it, then that's great. The truth is though, that most likely won't happen.
9 years ago
There is logic to the laws in religion. In the old times, it kept the masses in their place. Ask Hammurabi. Now that we see religion as a tool, and not a reality. The only good religion CAN offer was explained by George Carlin. He boiled the 10 commandments down to the golden rule. We don't need religion for that.
9 years ago
The idea of needing a god for you to be a good person is ridiculous.
9 years ago
Alec13- Fuck morality-too arbitrary. I say delegate law, employ it, and follow up with justice.
9 years ago
israel & america = zionists. america has been subverted by religious zealots.

http://www.viewzone.com/dualcitizen.html
9 years ago
When Dawkins sticks to science, he can prove his point well. What's your point?
It's when you make religious followers synonymous with religion itself that you're going down a bad path.
9 years ago
supraliminal, the difference is if when someone cant use their god as an excuse for their actions, rational people dont give anyone a free pass just because they're god said it was ok, do you really think people would really be ok with women being forced to wear burkas and condom use being condemmed if the reasoning behind it wasn't some part of their religion? how about people protesting funerals? you really think people wouldn't be at least a little bit more likely to speak out against hate speech if they had signs that said "I HATE FAGS" instead of "GOD HATES FAGS"?
9 years ago
unless you are israel, their whole argument is that god gave them the land of palestine
9 years ago
Oranje, no one said you have to believe in God to be moral... except Christians. But people are all assholes, and because they cast out religion so vehemently, they also cast out important and moral laws with it just because it is associated with religion.
42Adams, if religion wasn't here, hate would still come some way or another. I don't believe too much in a better world with the absence of religion because I believe in human nature.
Israel is a satellite for the US.
9 years ago
"It's when you make religious followers synonymous with religion itself that you're going down a bad path."

I agree with that to an extent but I see no problem with him pointing out the hypocrisy of these people who claim to be religious.

They are so insulted by someone denouncing religion that they ignore everything that it is supposed to teach...
9 years ago
Wait, the jews are taking over?
9 years ago
"They are so insulted by someone denouncing religion that they ignore everything that it is supposed to teach..."
Then it shows the weakness (or better word, if you will) of humans more than religion. And while it is entertaining, it proves more about human nature than it does about religion.
9 years ago
When I say better word, I mean fill it in with a better word. Weakness isn't too good. Can't think of one right now. Tired. I have classes early in the morning. I will respond unless there are a million posts, like every damn religion thread.
9 years ago
I have no real expectation of religion ever really going anywhere, personally i'll be happy when its ok for me to question a tenet, or practice of a religion without an uproar, the day when newspapers can print pictures of muhammad and no one gets killed for it, or the loudmouthed asshole bill donahue never gets another second of airtime will be as close to heaven as i'll ever get.
9 years ago
Well 42Adams, that day will come eventually, possibly even in your/our lifetime. But not likely in America. Supraliminal is right about human nature, and human nature supersedes anything you can be taught by a scientist, priest, or parent. And that itself is part of the reason religions were invented in the first place, because much of human nature is competitive, greedy, and violent—the keys to our early success as a species. It's important to keep the mind in control over those instincts and that's what religion sought to do (or rather, its' creators), as well as infuse it with more relevant (at the time...) lifestyle guidelines and aspirations.

The "average" (ie. mathematically average IQ of 100) person is only capable of a certain standard of logic, a level that most of us here who are debating have ascended above. That level of logic is one that appeals to a more face-value, base instinct that allots a disproportionate amount of power to a particular idea—above all else.
And that is the problem with the establishment of certain religions which have the potential in their texts for instructions or values to be malinterpreted and used to the follower's misguided agenda, which is often in the name of that very religion. Combined with the general attitudes of the society that person is a part of, whether due to its' history or current socio-political-economic climate, any follower of any teaching can become an extremely threatening and vitriolic defender of their beliefs.

Case in point, many Americans are fucking crazy and the world thanks them for being so insular and NOT visiting other places. The "right to bare arms" for instance, has invoked a total societal delusion which has combined with Christian evangelism and others with strong Christian values that associate them with "America" has led to most of your nation's poor stereotypes. . . assuming you are in fact American. But we digress.
9 years ago
I have to agree with some of what you said, some of our more basic instincts as a species fit very well with religious doctrine, greed being an obvious example. Its also well known that religion has prayed on the minds of the ignorant and lame for centuries. Evangelism is to damaged adults, what indoctrination is to kids, forced ideals, false promises, and hope in something you cant receive until you die. I do have to say it shames me to no end to live in the country well known for its religious zealots, and i dont really blame the rest of the world for not welcoming us anymore. To be fair though, the vast majority of christians in the states are apologists at the worst and the real wackjobs make up a small(but not nearly small enough) percent.
i do have to question your challenge of the second amendment, as someone who would have gladly, and to a slightly lesser extent still would gladly participate in the violent overthrow of my own government i severely question any nation that would strip its people of the ability to defend themselves...
9 years ago
Dawkins is not really trying to disprove religion by sharing these messages. The point here is how hypocritical many religious people are, and the twisted logic they try to use.

I saw him in an extended debate with a religious nut (but I suppose "religious nut" is redundant). He kept making rational arguments, and the nut kept falling back to bullshit like "We can't fully understand god", "God just wants it that way", and "Because I just believe it". That's why there is no point for atheists to debate religious nuts: The only argument "for" religion is blind faith. It's like trying to argue with a child who says nothing other than "Is too! Is too!"
9 years ago
Well put, public.

I've always found it amazing how in the US the evangelicals & tight winger politics together have such control over the idea of patriotism.
9 years ago
right wing*
9 years ago
I actually think pride over any innate qualities like race and gender is stupid. Being proud of something you can't change or didn't achieve ranks up there with religious stupidity in my books. People don't realize that when they're waving their flags over how great their country is, they are creating segregation over nothing.
9 years ago
Yep
9 years ago
Some interesting arguments in here. I would say the crusades were politically motivated, and sticking a cross in front of them helped the recruitment.

If you took religion out of the world, you would find yourself in a better place for sure. I mean, all those churches helping the community. We dont need them. All those institutions giving money and helping to stabilize communities abroad. We dont really need them. Your fellow man, who lives his life day to day with the teaching of Jesus and whos soul belief that selfless acts of kindness are the key to a happy life. We really dont need those ass holes.

Monks? They are punks, what good did they ever do for the community?

Hindus? Buddists? Biggest ass holes of the bunch. Dont need em.

Yes, i could envision a world where there was no stupid religion butting it's head in my daily life. Trying to make me smile when I'm mad, or trying to help me and shelter me when I'm flat broke and busted.

We will just leave that to the people who are already doing most of that stuff.
9 years ago
you don't need a religion to do good.
9 years ago
stop trying to use the argument that religion = good.
9 years ago
if there was a god he'd sure have some explaining to do
9 years ago
And if god was 'all knowning and all powerful' like some say then like dik said he would of come down and explain whats "right and wrong" and that would of stop how many wars?
9 years ago
why would god do something that made sense? fuck off you atheist.
9 years ago
btw i just wish you fucking atheists would stop trying to look for fucking answers and start just blindly having "faith" in imaginary creatures.
9 years ago
Kbilly that's the lamest fucking argument I have ever heard. There are plenty of charities that aren't religious based.

On a side note if god is omnipotent, can he make a rock so large he cannot move it? If you say yes then you are limiting what god can do. If you limit omnipotents then it wasn't omnipotent to begin with because there are no omnipotent beings
9 years ago
god wouldn't have to move it you left wing commie atheist, because god is so omnipotent he could move everything around the rock.
9 years ago
let that sink in for a bit you non fucking believers.
9 years ago
Made me pee a little bit there Yak.
9 years ago
stop trying to use the argument that religion=good.

No.

You cant deny that religion tries to do good through the teachings of that religion. You can put your head in the sand all you want, but it's not going to change a thing.
9 years ago
Of course every religion has it's fanatics, but in the world we live in, people are recognizing those easier.
9 years ago
And there are plenty of charities that arent religion based. You are correct drumrave. But, does not stop the face that there are still a LOT of charities that are religion based.

Your rock argument is flaccid, and unimpressive and lame. Why dont you give an example that actually applies to religion?
9 years ago
calling something flaccid, unimpressive and lame doesn't exactly counter his point tho. calling something dumb doesn't really make it dumb unless you can prove it.
9 years ago
If the proof was there 2000 years ago, you might believe. But you discount that proof. So there you go.
9 years ago
what proof?
what honest to fuck "PROOF" was there 2000 years ago that is written about in actual history and not just fucking fairytales? what evidence is there? none. the shroud of turin has even been debunked for god sake, and that was "proof" by the church.

9 years ago
you aren't possibly talking about the proof of a make believe person that can't actually be proven to ever have existed historically being born to a virgin who can't even be proven to exist either are you?
9 years ago
you religious people are really lucky that all this shit "took place" during a period where everyone was still fucking ignorant.. imagine this shit happening in todays day and age? 2 words
myth busted.
9 years ago
I feel sorry for you. There is no point arguing with you if you cannot recognize the canonical gospels. It's easy for you to say it's just "fairytales." Fine. You dont accept that proof. That's fine. Unfortunatley for you, Millions of other peple disagree. Also, it's interesting these fairytales have lasted for so long and changed the face of the planet. There is no point in arguing with you anymore if you cannot accept that proof.


I also think you are referring to Veronicas veil, which is safe in the bowels of the Vatican.
9 years ago
You believe the gospels but not the koran? Why? Why not Budda? Why not anyother religion? Millions of people follow those teachings. They also have changed our planet. You offer no proof in a scientific way but offer hope in a trust in nothing but legends and myths.
9 years ago
I dont believe in any other religion because I dont have to. Not saying they are wrong either.
9 years ago
Like I said before, we will all know for sure when we die. So peace out.
9 years ago
Right...You just put your head up your ass in logic form.
9 years ago
I gotta go to work, someone finish him off.
9 years ago
K-Billy, why not just be Egyptian?
It's almost the exact same religion with a few name changes.
It also happened before pablo got crucified.

9 years ago
sorry, jesus*
9 years ago
LOL, you fucks are so easy to manipulate. So ravenous in your hatred. So palpable. And so very sad indeed.
9 years ago
I wish god would just come down and burn all those heathens..
He must be on the phone or something.
9 years ago
K-bill in all seriousness, what makes your religion different than being mormon or jewish or muslim?
Is it that yours is right?
9 years ago
*bill reads the new testament for an answer, but astonishingly he can't find one.*
9 years ago
Billy boy is doing a great job at illustrating tiredguy's point of not being worth it to debate the faithful. Rational arguments and logic dont apply in religion, and trying to use them to convince the faithful of anything, no matter how painfully obvious it might be, will never be met by anything more than the philosophical equivalent of sticking their fingers in their ears and yelling lalalala i cant hear you
9 years ago
It angers me so much that they will never actually take in anything I say. Every word you speak after denouncing God is superfluous to these people.
9 years ago
more often than note alec when i end up getting the canned religious arguments i will just switch tactics and just try to be as blasphemous as possible and see if i can just piss them off. its not like im going to convince them of anything, i might as well get some entertainment out of it.
9 years ago
There you go adams, you hit the nail right on the head. Entertainment.
9 years ago
It's very entertaining to watch you piss all over yourself with joy that you get to beat down the "meany owd gawd and his siwwy swervents."

The amount of effort it takes in all your squirming brings great enjoyment.
9 years ago
Why bother arguing in the first place if no one is going to listen to you? You are sooo right, then why cant you let it go? If no amount of convincing can change the mind of someone who is religious, why waste the time? Vice versa.

You should be happy with your choice of freedom, your choice of religion or no religion.
9 years ago
i'm not following a cult that has people who come to your door to try to sway people to the teachings of an imaginary being... i don't give a shit what anyone believes in (i mean i run this site afterall).. but for someone to say to me that something that can't be proven and has no facts to back it up is true, thats where the line gets drawn :P
9 years ago
God damn blasphemous pig, I can't be on a site ruled by a left wing baby killer.
So have you done the videos for today yet, I submitted an MS original, but I don't know if it got submitted correctly?
9 years ago
"he must be on the phone or something" Haha! classic, Alec.
9 years ago
i have already done mucho for today yes. let me see if your submission went through tho.
9 years ago
yup it did... it'll most likely be going up tomorrow.
9 years ago
What about mine yak?
9 years ago
to be fair a little disappointed in the lack of tentacles..... just throwing that out there...

9 years ago
*sigh* billy, just because arguably the majority of the religious wont be swayed by an atheists arguments, and the truly faithful will gladly relish in their ignorance until the end of time is not a reason not to try. I will always be outspoken about atheism, i will always gladly debate the faithful, because even if 95% of people shrug my off that %5 that looks at their faith in a different light, it questions their religion for once is more than worth it. I really dont understand why you seem to feel so victorious in your arguments, you've not swayed anyone, or even made any real points. You seem to just be happy that your pissing people off, well billy, im not mad, i dont get mad at people i pity.
9 years ago
i think a few previous ones camy but none of the ones from today made it till probably tomorrow.
hard to remember there is a bunch going up tonight.
9 years ago
ok cool.
9 years ago
LOL. You dont know me adams. And that's fine with me.
9 years ago
K-billy, do you think if you weren't taught religion at a young age, that you would still have faith?
I see kids getting brainwashed by their parents with the "fear of god" and it makes me feel sick.
A lucky few kids are sharp enough to realize that once they find out Santa Claus is fake, what makes Jesus any different.
If I can convince one kid to look for logic instead of believing what his/her parents say, I will be happy.
9 years ago
Santa Claus is fake? BS.. You can't prove that he doesn't exist, there are even texts proving his existence. If your faithful, you will recieve presents, but Santa works in mysterious ways. Sometimes he gives you what you want, other times he doesn't. He has a list for us all planned out.
9 years ago
I would not have faith in Christianity. As it stands, my faith in Christianity is sketchy at best. But... I still believe in an afterlife, and sometimes even some sort of God.

Like I said before. My grandfather died in a car wreck and then a week later my dad had to tell him that he was dead. You can believe that or not, i dont really fucking care.
9 years ago
Couple that with Jesus, the only thing I really care about in the bible. (The rest can fuck a duck) and there is where I stand.
9 years ago
If I said that a little of that brainwashing didnt take place with me, that would be a lie. But since I grew up, I can find a balance, and it makes me feel good.
9 years ago
So then, KBilly, you wouldn't call yourself a fervent believer, but you acknowledge the possibility that "He" and Jesus Christ could exist. And those are the deities (or deity, if you're catholic and subscribe to the union of the Holy Trinity) that you've chosen to look to for guidance, faith, whatever it may be. So would that mean you're straddling some line between Christian and agnostic then?
9 years ago
Billy, i think you misinterpret the motivation behind most atheists, myself included. i dont wish to do away with your personal spirituality, or anyone's for that matter, and i cant argue that the teachings of jesus have done some good in this world. The only thing i have an issue with is organized religion, i have an issue with an organization that tells people how they should be faithful. if you want to believe in god, thats fine with me, so long as your dont insist the way you believe is the only way that anyone should.
9 years ago
Kbilly fucking trolled you guys. lulz epic pwnage!!!111111
9 years ago
Drum, the ladies must go crazy when you enter a room.
You're just so awesome on such an epic scale! How do I be you? That's what I would like to know.


9 years ago
You're such a fucking geek drum, you should be put down.
9 years ago
Hey, K-Billy!!!

Do me a favour & explain what you mean by you father telling his father that he was dead after his accident. I'm not joking, I'm truly curious. Explain it in as much detail as you can to be sure I get exactly what you mean.
9 years ago
alec you can never come close to the 1337 I sweat. I'm 3 legit to quit (that's one more than 2)
9 years ago
Is it like he was a ghost or something?
In the 6th sense the dead didn't know they were dead.
9 years ago
...I think KB13 means his dad had to tell him his grandfather was dead but typo'd what he was trying to say.
9 years ago
Oranjeboom says:

You're such a fucking geek drum, you should be put down.
9 years ago
Why would that be hard to believe then public?
9 years ago
I think he means that his dad sucked his grandpa's dick and gave him a heart attack and when he tried to suck him off again, he was erect because of rigormortis but his ghost told him that he was dead but he sucked it anyway, or some shit.
9 years ago
Oranjeboom says:

Oranjeboom says:

You're such a fucking geek drum, you should be lord and ruler of the world
9 years ago
The first step to recovery is the removal of denial drum.
9 years ago
That's right!
9 years ago
oh....you edited it....clever....
9 years ago
muhahahaha pwned!!!!11!!!1!!!!1one!!!!!
9 years ago
i see you took your lamer pills today drum.
9 years ago
Actually I'm not lame at all. I made a shit ton of money today at work and so I'm pretty happy
9 years ago
Evidence #21836718763 that drum is lame.
9 years ago
I thought you'd have to wait for the anal lesions to heal before you could enjoy the 'rewards'.
9 years ago
Alec: I dunno; I guess 'cuz it took a week? Doesn't really make a lot of sense any other way
9 years ago
Ok Orangie. Back in 86 my grandparents were killed by a drunk driver. My grandmother instantly, my grandfather died in a hospital bed.

A few days later my Dad and mother and my dads sister were cleaning out their house. Mom and her sister in law were in one room and my father in the next. Then mother said the temperature dropped significantly and she felt cold. Then they heard heavy footsteps outside on the front porch just walking around. But they were the only people there. My father was in the room with them at this time, so they told him to go outside and deal with the presence. So dad did. Mother said it was his father, and that he had to tell him he was dead.

Iv asked my dad twice about it. The first time he said he forgot what happened, the second time, when I was older and genuinely interested he just looked at me and didnt say a thing and then walked out of the room. I haven't asked him again about it.
9 years ago
spoooooky
9 years ago
It was probably his pimp collecting some money.
9 years ago
ghosts = more proof that there is no heaven/hell.
9 years ago
When you throw that in their face, they'll either say ghost stories are made up, or that it is purgatory.
9 years ago
if its purgatory, then the world would be pretty much overran with ghosts.
9 years ago
I see it differently. I think people who die suddenly and horribly have trouble finding their way to the next plane. That plane could be Heaven or Hell or something completely different.
9 years ago
If you're dead, you'll have trouble finding your way anywhere.
9 years ago
I'll die smiling since I have GPS installed in my collar Fugs.
9 years ago
*reprograms collar heading to the Wan King Chinese Restaurant
9 years ago
mmmm chinese food...

Actually, I think I'll get some Thai. Tom ka Kai lemmongrass soup is the BEST.
9 years ago
Chinese, America's national dish.
9 years ago
I thought that was cheap Mexican food?
9 years ago
Well, it was the impression I got the year I spent over there, it might variate from state to state.
9 years ago
K-Billy says:
Iv asked my dad twice about it. The first time he said he forgot what happened, the second time, when I was older and genuinely interested he just looked at me and didnt say a thing and then walked out of the room. I haven't asked him again about it.


Your dad left the room...? This tells me he can't believe your such a stupid fuck for believing the bollocks he told you when you were a kid, to make you feel better about your grandparents dying.
8 years ago
So?

People are saying stupid shit...what's new?
9 years ago
"God will get you"

"The Jews are trying to take over the world"

"Communist Russia is going to start a nuclear war"

"Al Qaeda is out to get us"

Fear really is a powerful political tool.

Would you like to take a second to think about what you have been conditioned to think & what you actually know. I'm sure many of you will undoubtedly insist that you know what you truly just think. Take social norms/taboos for example, they change from one country to the next, some may be similar whilst others will be polar opposites. You 'know' these to be the way things are done, should be done....

We mostly only know what were told to think.
9 years ago
Are you trying to teach sociology 101, Oranje?

And the Jews ARE trying to take over the world, goddamnit.
9 years ago
I do it too, I understand that & it's my point.
9 years ago
I interposted your ass.
9 years ago
get my message from jamie oranje?
9 years ago
I've vowed to try 'most' things first hand and not to believe what someone else tells me.
It's the only responsible way to live your life.
9 years ago
"In reality, everyone is fucking stupid"

You said it in the other thread, & it's my exact point.
9 years ago
Not checked my emails yet, dik.

*goes to check email*
9 years ago
Got it dik (mine did too for a few hours)

& No Supra, you idiot. I was point out the fallibility of our minds & how easy we go along with what is suggested to us. The society examples were just used to make that point.
9 years ago
Think for yourself and make up your own damn mind, its the only way to live. No one only tells the truth, no organization has all the answers, and there are no absolute truths.
9 years ago
I was kidding about the sociology lesson. Jeez.
9 years ago
THAT IS MY ENTIRE FUCKING POINT

A lot of the time when you 'KNOW' that you're thinking for yourself, you're actually still susceptible to suggestion.

Just think how advertising works.
9 years ago
"Im going to this today because it is what I want to do"

In reality it is what you have been manipulated into thinking you should do, want to do & will benefit from doing.

9 years ago
"A lot of the time when you 'KNOW' that you're thinking for yourself, you're actually still susceptible to suggestion. "
This is very true. I find a lot of fucktard teenagers speaking of anarchy and shit believing that they are free and thinking for themselves. Kind of like every asshole who mentions "Zeitgeist" as if it is a proper response to a long religious debate.
I need to learn how to create a break between lines. Then I will be a MS god.
9 years ago
I know this sounds really fucking paranoid, but it isn't. In marketing there is something called the 'means end chain'. The means end chain is basically used to implant the idea of products/services making you feel a certain way by owning/using them.

It happens with EVERYTHING!
9 years ago
zeitgeist is a great film
9 years ago
google it & you'll see what I'm talking about
9 years ago
I actually heard of it from someone else. He called it something else, but it was basically how everything you see, particularly in the media, is placed or created to send a message. Even the most insignificant things carry a meaning. The dude who told me was a Muslim, btw. One of the smartest people I have ever met. And naturally, people think my friendship with the Muslim is the reason I'm not SUPER Atheist.
9 years ago
Btw, when I say SUPER Atheist, I meant it as a superhero name. Like Super boy.
9 years ago
you afraid he'll blow you up?
9 years ago
I've never seen Zeitgeist & I never will. I was going to but read about it first & it appears to be bollocks. It mixes fact with conjecture & that just undermines any truth there is.
9 years ago
dirtyrottensteve is the Bill O'Reilly of atheists. Next he's going to make a joke about how he saw Apollo passing by.
9 years ago
"In the means end chain model, products are not chosen and purchased for themselves or their characteristics, but rather for the meaning they engender in the mind.

Products, though selected for fairly concrete features, such as their characteristics and attributes (e.g. proportion of fat, color, origin, production method), and for the benefits which they are capable of providing – functional or psychosocial consequences (e.g. a healthy and tasty diet) - are in fact perceived subconsciously as aimed at and connected with the achievement of individual goals."
9 years ago
I understand there is a lot of psychology that goes into marketing, but saying that everything we see in mass media is sending a message is redundant, ad's say "BUY ME!", opinion pieces say "LISTEN TO ME!" and the news says "WAR! TERRORISTS! BOMBS! BE AFRAID!"
9 years ago
I'm speaking about something much more subtle than that, 42Adams.
And I really do have to fucking sleep now.
9 years ago
i merely stated it was a good film. it's on mucho, i posted it a while ago. zeitgeist covers where we have been where we are and what could happen. predicting the future is anybody's guess, so yes, that could be less than factual. the sections pertaining to the federal reserve & origins of religion are well documented.
9 years ago
i dont see how im bill o. now.
9 years ago
There is A LOT that you don't see 42Admans. Well, you see it, but you don't realise it.
9 years ago
i understand that supra, i was be facetious, more or less i agree, the really scary part is how much psychology goes into ad's for children, watch "The Corporation", great documentary that touches on the psychology of advertisement, goodnight
9 years ago
this is brilliant.

ill have to put it on myspace for shits and giggles.
9 years ago
you're going to hell
9 years ago
these guys are not good at pwning..failmail
9 years ago
Failmail, lol.
9 years ago
yo bichofelix is logged on!
9 years ago
Cheese eating scumbag. Classic.
9 years ago
The lady at the end assumes he's divorced or gay. hahahah he's probably just knee deep in atheist pussy
9 years ago
Only thing worse then a religious nut is an atheist nut.
9 years ago
Nuts suck in general.
You suck!
9 years ago
atheist nut? like who?
9 years ago
sometimes you feel like a nut...
9 years ago
Athiests bitch about being preached at, and then preach twice as hard...

Go build a fucking birdhouse or something.
9 years ago
that's not true..what atheists? where? hard preaching atheists? come on..i don't see them blabbering every morning so much i actually have to seek out my remote
9 years ago
Honestly that was supposed to be a reply to the thread above.
9 years ago
I meant on here mostly, though the idea of you waking up to some Jimmy Swaggart or whatever fills me with glee.
9 years ago
Athiests are doing a bunch of bitching on here. Like little fucking girls who just got their period.
9 years ago
There are 30 million atheists in America and growing. Theres hope for us yet.
9 years ago
there must be many more than that. the problem is that with religious cocksuckers being ... well, religious cocksuckers, atheists have to worry about being discriminated against.
9 years ago
I live in NY, so I've actually never felt religious discrimination. Either that or because I just don't care enough to acknowledge it...
9 years ago
discriminated against. Boo fucking you. That's probably the most pathetic thing I've heard all year. Honestly, how pathetic must you be if you allow yourself to be religiously discriminated? Get over it.
9 years ago
billy boy, about as pathetic black people are to allow themselves to be discriminated, or gays, or women, because as long as your cool enough you can magically make discriminated go away, its only the pathetic minorities that actually get discriminated against
9 years ago
So you are a pathetic minority then? Awwww boo hoo!
9 years ago
LOL theirs not even close to 30 million atheist in the US. LOLOLOL
8 years ago
You know, people who have a blatant obvious fear of religion need to get over themselves. Either its true, or it's not. You arent going to find out till you die anyway. So get over your fucking girly selves.
9 years ago
Fuck this submission, fuck all this yapping, fuck god, fuck jesus, fuck your sister, fuck your mom, fuck your cat, your dogs cool, fuck your SUV, fuck church, fuck vegatarians, fuck the apostles, FUCK!
9 years ago
My dog is pretty cool.
My cat is a little bitch though.
You must be the savior if you knew that.
9 years ago
I am starting a new religion where the deity is tangible and will answer peoples prayers.
9 years ago
Our new god going to be a member on this site, someone with profound insight and wisdom.
9 years ago
I'm going to post a picture of my balls.
9 years ago
And is a real asshole..
9 years ago
Nominations?
9 years ago
No body parts.
9 years ago
I nominate dik
9 years ago
I nominate my left nut
9 years ago
Is your nut a true asshole with profound insight and wisdom and can answer peoples prayers?
9 years ago
prolly nut...


boom boom!
9 years ago
A virgin will be sacrificed every Friday night at midnight and mass will be held Saturday afternoons where we will sing hymns of Floyd and listen to inspiring stories of our saviours childhood.
9 years ago
If Lucid keeps up her pace, we won't have any virgins to sacrifice, but at least we have Drum.
9 years ago
After, the followers will separate into groups where they will smoke blunts, drink beers, and partake in fetish porn.
9 years ago
I have been to the top of the mountain and seen the abscessed bush.
I know these things to be an inevidable destiny.
9 years ago
Destiny's cool, it's underrated as an ending.
9 years ago
There was a phoneline in the UK set up where you could phone God and leave a message. That's pretty tangible.
9 years ago
10 commandments of MuchoSucko

1-Don't fuck with Deja or Yak.
2-Tits or GTFO.
3-Muchosign or GTFO
4-Thou shall not post "first" in any thread.
5-Thou shall respect the reply button.
6-Profit
7-Thou shall not repost or submit lame content.
8-Thou must laugh and kick those who are down.
9-Thou must respect the innocent.
10-Thou shall not worship sites other than Mucho.
9 years ago
hell yeah!
9 years ago
*First draft
9 years ago
*9-thou must not respect the innocent.
9 years ago
not sure 6 is actually a commandment....
9 years ago
11: Thou shall not submit repost
9 years ago
He missed the rest of the text - Thou must profit from the misfortune of others.
9 years ago
kinda like your reply there camycazi? read #7

oh, and there's only 10 commandments, not 11
9 years ago
mr fugs, wouldn't that be kinda the same as #8?
9 years ago
Damnit! sorry im tipsy.
9 years ago
Now look, young lady! Don't take advantage just because I've had a drink!
9 years ago
Or two...
9 years ago
I was thinking that it was either the slip up of a 17 year old moron or comic genius.
9 years ago
Defo comic genius
9 years ago
And stop following me Jones!
9 years ago
11-Thou must never pull the stalker card.
9 years ago
theres only 10 commandments i was corrected
9 years ago
Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the Mucho.
9 years ago
Boosh!!!!

Who possesses thy cum flavored corn-pop?
9 years ago
I was told there would be snacks.
9 years ago
I wonder if this is the way the conversation played out in the bible.
9 years ago
Replyith fail!
I have broken the fifth!
If only I prayed to the great refresh button a little more :(
9 years ago
You shall be sentence to the stfu room for 5 hours.
9 years ago
recover password
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