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George Carlin on America

this ties into a video I recently watched..it's 1 hour and 56 minutes so it's unsubmittable..go to www.zeitgeistmovie.com to view it

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submitted August 10th 2007

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For anyone who hasn't seen Zeitgeist, I'd suggest going to zeitgeistmovie.com and taking a look. It really opens your mind. (fire away with tasteless puns)
10 years ago
What's with the sudden Zeitgeist craze? And by the way this is isn't aimed at anyone above, just general bewilderment.

What's really fucking funny is people watch it and then say, "Wow I've just been told the truth, those rich, powerful bastards lied to me." After it kept going on and on about sheep who can't think for themselves, those very people watching it turn into Zeitgeist and Loose Change sheep.

The movie has holes in it.

They don't explain explicitly how some parts are supposed to fit. They don't source any opposing opinion. The sources they list are mostly from opinionated pieces which is fine but pointless if you don't employ quality opposing opinions. Not to mention a nice glossing of some events or aspects to make it easier to string it into a nice conspiracy theory.

It's also terribly padded out with too much black or the sort of hypnotic graphics and soundtrack which would put The IPCRESS File to shame.

I'm not going to say it's all bullshit but Jesus fucking Christ it tells you not to "be like the masses" and think for yourself yet all these people are swallowing this whole instead without thinking or questioning how these people reach their conclusions and why.
10 years ago
Chairman wants to join the international bankers.
10 years ago
Maybe I do. Beats dealing at ground level with idiots. Then again maybe I'm just here to gently steer people back to the status quo just like there's bound to be a Scientologist employed to lurk around the internet wherever comments can be made just to give their side of the story. Maybe I'm a Scientologist. What are your crimes?
10 years ago
They tell you "not to follow the masses" with respect to the mass amount of people who have just sit idely by up until now and let the bankers shit down their throat, mostly cuz nobody knew..it's news to me...now some parts I don't agree with (Bush = Hitler..come on now) and I've always had a thing against the conspiritors who said 911 was USA's doing..but this had compelling evidence. Newspaper clippings and video clips as evidence..now a biblio at the end woulda been nice. If you really look at it..the bankers do control the country since they regulate the money and economy and about the WWII stuff..I've heard in documentaries that the USA was warned about the attacks but ignored it and as for WWI, I also heard they sent their ship to German territory anyway
10 years ago
I'm fuckin' happy about the religion thing, I've always been against that shit, took 2 History courses and a Classics class so I know how fucked the church as an institution was and how it tried to control people...I love that part. Any of you actually think these 4 Unions in the world are created for the single government purpose? I have to admit, I'm against the EU..it takes away each countries individual currency..which is part of their culture, and replaces it with that fucking Euro, which is also higher in value (about 2 times) than the Canadian dollar haha
10 years ago
Seems to me a number of people have simply swapped blissful ignorance into angry ignorance.

Sure monetary authorities regulate the economy according to how their charters have been established. I can't think of a country though that does not have extraordinary powers to curtail any malicious behaviour by that authority.

Keeping a currency just because it's part of a culture is like wanting to keep a gangrenous limb because it's part of your body. Do you think Zimbabweans are loving their brand new $230,000 notes? The only country in the Euro-zone with a credible reluctance for the Euro would have been Germany since they were the only ones who could keep it stable. Italy wanted anything that didn't have to devalue itself every 6 months and the French simply never like the idea of cooperation actually requiring compromise on their part.

Besides that "cultural" money is still created by an independent monetary authority. Hilarious! "Hey if we're going to be fucked by bankers we should at least get fucked by bankers in Rome, Paris and Berlin instead of Frankfurt." Brilliant!
10 years ago
Loose Change ain't great, zeit...whatever ain't great. But at least they're presenting an opposing opinion with some truth. I've come to believe the average american can only understand things when they come step by step and are presented with unjustified certainty. You can't ask them a question and have them look into it and form their own opinion, they're incapable of that. You can never give them numbers to prove their government is lying to them, they just won't understand. So here we have the shock-value videos. The people who hate the government club are using the same techniques as the government to be heard by the masses of simpletons. I don't see a problem with it. It's basically the same idea as the adversarial process in a courtroom.
10 years ago
who are you and what have you done with CHAIRMAN!!!!
10 years ago
BTW, loose change was debunked point by point in "screw loose change"
I actually looked up this Zeitgeist movie yesterday and it seems just like the typical "the world is controlling you, Jesus was really based on some Egyptian dude named Horus, BLAH BLAH BLAH" bulshit that's spoon fed to anyone and everyone who cant get through the day without feeling paranoid about something. Waste of time.
10 years ago
http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/
10 years ago
This shit is as real as me not beiing paranoia, i knew all this stuff before i saw this video, but doubted.
I say eliminate and burn all thriving on the corrupt system.
U are not a citisen of America, but a Slave of the romes and there tentacle boy's who grease themselves on ur back.
1/4 of what u realy earn they put directly in there pockets, from whats left u have to pay taxes, gas water electricity and food clothing house savings, and mindless entertainment to keep u a stupid monkey.
10 years ago
oehoehoeh aaaaahhhhhaaaaahhhaaaaaa
10 years ago
Time to get crazy and get those ppl out there buildings and execute them Iraqi style, I want my fucking money back bitches
10 years ago
Screw Loose Change actually manages to be shittier than Loose Change. I remember thinking it was an exercise in irony, but then after 2 hours of my life had been wasted I realized they were actually serious.
10 years ago
really? ok. sure.
10 years ago
KJELL, you're funny. Oh, and i'm sorry you feel that way.
10 years ago
wait a tic, so are you saying that you agree more with the original loose change El Wanko? If this is true, you are off my top 20.
10 years ago
what's all this Loose Change and Screw Loose Change business? About Zeitgeist..after letting it sit in my head and the initial shock of the argument put together..it seems less viable now. I mean they're just using clips from when people didn't know what the fuck was going on and newspaper clippings..hell a lot could be random shitty newspapers or even tabloids. The one thing I still can't deny is the architects saying that the towers could withstand a plane hitting it...what's up there? and the infrastructure just going to dust? fuck off. Either way a Central Bank isn't the best idea, that is if it's run by bastards..no clue how America's is run..apparently by bastards..and they used the convienience of a shittily fought war to further that the Central Bank is evil...I totally agree with the Religious aspect though
10 years ago
"The one thing I still can't deny is the architects saying that the towers could withstand a plane hitting it"
The "Archiects" said they could withstand a 747 collision. They did not take into account a 767, going 500+ miles.
10 years ago
9-11 is not a conspiracy. Anyone who thinks it is, is a moron. It's good to ask questions, it's also good to know when you're dead wrong. The religious stuff, I honestly don't know enough to say if they are wrong or right.
10 years ago
i dont think 9/11 is a conspiracy, but i dont get why the towers fell so fast. even when i first seen the video of the towers falling i was thinking, how can a plane make a building like that fall so fast?
10 years ago
I guess I'm off your top 20 then. Screw Loose Change committed all the crimes of logic that it accused Loose Change of, but just at a greater frequency. I honestly though it was a subtle attempt at sarcasm, for the first hour or so I watched that shit. I think it went on for something like 3 hours, as well. I can't remember how far I made it, but in that time I learned nothing of value. I think they picked Loose Change to screw, since it has a lot of simple errors to attack.
10 years ago
Just for the record, I agree with the FBI that there is no hard evidence to suggest Osama was behind 911.

There are clearly holes in the pancake theory, you only need to watch the video to see that. And the explanations for the molten steel are pretty week (buildings falling down get really hot, and being near the ocean left sulfur on the steel.) The odds of terrorist hijacking airplanes on the same day as they were conducting a simulation of terrorists hijacking airplanes (so that the response was bungled and late) are about as low as the odds of terrorist bombing in London the same day that they were simulating terrorists bombing in London. And I think the odds of finding a Saudi passport that survived a fire hot enough to melt steel is about the same as the odds of them finding some bomber's passport in London, twice, in different locations!
10 years ago
all the hijackers still being alive is pretty convincing evidence, i mean, if they really are still alive.
10 years ago
yeah, i guess your off the top 20 then. Probably around number 23 now...
10 years ago
sigh. another lost to the idiocy of that loose change video.
10 years ago
i'm 18 and when i start earning legal income i'm not giving any to the government.
10 years ago
spammy^
10 years ago
Tyler, I don't think they tax welfare, usually.
10 years ago
George Carlin is a comedian. He's funny, really funny. He's right about what rich people want. He's right about most politcians, He's wrong about the rich and their power. They got more power than most, more than the poor. But the power is in numbers, and that's the Middle Class. Also the media is power, it exposes rich assholes like Enron folk, so they can't get away. And did the moron who made this video know anything Warren Buffet? No. I'm tired of poor fucks saying, It's all these rich people that make this country terrible. No, it's you poor fuck, get a job.
10 years ago
Oh yeah, I like the playboy symbol in the backround next to abc and coke and IBM. Yeah, Hugh Hefner is running this country, you bet.
10 years ago
Too bad the middle class doesn't own the media.
10 years ago
Too good the middle class works for the media and if a well-known reporter's story is yanked, they go to a another station who is more than happy to expose the other station. Pretty sure I saw that here. The media is mostly left wing any way. And they generally love exposing rich assholes even though they themselves are rich.
10 years ago
^ "The media is mostly left wing any way."

I was going to reply to your other statements, but this one has me laughing too hard to focus on typing for very long... Left-wing media! I'm guessing when you start your car, Rush Limbaugh's voice is the first thing you hear.
10 years ago
The mainstream media is only relevant because there are enough idiots that follow or believe the bullshit they shovel.

George is wrong, not EVERYONE is owned or has sold out.
Thank God for the 2nd amendment.

As for Rush Limbaugh, the conservatives have a portion of AM radio and the ultra left have ABC, CBS, CNN, ALL of Hollywood and ALL of academia, what a right wing conspiracy we have going on right? Partisan politics are for morons who do not wish to debate the issues.
10 years ago
The right Wing has Rush, they have Bill O'Reily and most of Fox News and they have Glen Beck who nobody watches the rest is mostly left. TG, I'm suprised you don't know that. I aint complaining, but that's how it is.
10 years ago
Ya our media is corrupted but no one cares, like anyone has ever done anything to prove that it is being controlled, they need evidence and they cant back it up. Its controlled by a hearless jackass and a stupid bitch with his head up his ass but its just just a blink of the eye in the history of man, and 1000 years from now no one will give a shit cuz we got alot worse things going on then how the mother fucking media works. Yey our government is flawed, but its the greatest thing man has ever created, history will tell you that. (Other then god that is)
10 years ago
Hey! Stop oppressing me, Archman!
10 years ago
Oh, sorry about that. There, is that better.
10 years ago
Could you...just...relax your grip..on my throat...a little.
10 years ago
"ALL of academia"? Which is why pretty much every renowned international politics department at a US college, university or research group only hires academics subscribed in the realist theory of international relations over the competing theories namely liberalism.
10 years ago
Think of something you attended or witnesses or were involved with that was later reported in the media. How many fuckups did they make? That's why you can't trust the shit news, even if they ain't corrupt, they're sure as hell incompetent.
10 years ago
Middle class has the power? How so? Let someone accidentally mark 'deceased' on your credit report and see how much power you have. Sorry, but your life can be shut off in seconds by someone with a keyboard somewhere.
10 years ago
Dont count on Tired bi to respond. He usually has only one good shot initially in him.
10 years ago
Anyway, make way for the new media! The old tired worn out giants of the 60's are in their death throws. But it's not over yet. Where as before a person such as Walter Cronkite could turn American support of a war hard on it's ass with a single broadcast, this is not the case anymore. Now we have the other side. News and commentary to keep the old media in check. And much to the consternation of the leftists, we now have talk radio, and Rush Limbaugh. LOL! Look at how they squirm! You would think they were vampires in sunlight!
10 years ago
Archeman, u dont know what ur talking about, you can buy absolutely anything or anyone, if u have a constand money suply.
Money buy's power.
Endless money, endless power, anybody is buyable.
10 years ago
For someone who says other people don't know what they're talking about. If you had endless money then that money would be worthless and you couldn't buy anything. Think about it for a minute before you say something stupid in reply.
10 years ago
but it's KJELL chairman. everyone is a "slave monky" to him, remember?
10 years ago
Did he really say that?
10 years ago
a couple of threads up...
10 years ago
well, slave and a monkey. But you know.
10 years ago
Endles also refers to what is to come with no other aspect in sight.
Endless money stream dous not mean they have infinite money.
And yes money is getting worth less for decades u stupid monkey, all of that a direct cause of the loaning, the more a govrn loans from ur money the bigger ur debt gets translated in taxes to fill the hole.
U pay more taxes earn less, while they are getting richer, all planned out to call u bitch, bitch
10 years ago
Who sold u sigs and booze u think ?
The friendly ppl ?
Now they try to fuck the monkey's in the ass.
10 years ago
CNN is retarded. They go too far to get outrageous coverage..in people's faces just as a shooting has occured "oh and how do you feel" it's ridiculous. Fox is fucking annoying...I don't follow American politics, or Canadian for that matter..I hear more about Canadian that American and know more about it (basically) but that's still not much...either way you say it the media has and will always use its power to influence the masses, now more than ever. Since we're becoming an illiterate society, we're more prone to being brainwashed by tv and the net and movies and such..nobody wants to read or learn for themselves. We're a pathetic society
10 years ago
http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/
watch this, stupid bitch
10 years ago
Where are you from Derk?
10 years ago
i think that play between Derk and kjell is pretty funny. Especially the part where Kjell says "watch this, stupid bitch" even though a couple of threads up Derk is clearly talking about the movie. LOL!
10 years ago
Derk, you fucking canadians... your government told you that they were getting rid of income trusts because the rich and the foreigners were getting loaded on them and it wasn't fair. Everyone has to pay their fair share! That was fucking hilarious... I mean, the tax rates are such that it was clearly a lie - if the government was loosing tax revenue it meant that mostly domestic middle-income investors were owning these things (the rich and the foreigners are taxed at a higher rate, than corporate rate). Duh. I tried to explain this to people but they didn't get it because they're too fucking stupid.

Oh yeah, and Canadians thought a sales tax cut would benefit everyone, rather than an income tax cut at the lowest bracket. WTF are you guys drinking? I drink Canadian beer and I can clearly see that a rich dude saves more with a 1% sales tax cut than the poor man makes all year!
10 years ago
The only way to opposes the leaders of our country is to get smart and get rich.
10 years ago
A stupid monkey is one who thinks the government is always to blame for inflation or "getting worth less" as you so eloquently put it. As I recall you are Dutch and therefore should be intimate with the concept known as Dutch disease where a commodity boom crowds out the rest of the economy and whether through a fixed or floating exchange rate, the result will be inflation. On top of that government with its sudden boom in royalties from gas extraction is under pressure to spend even more. Oh shit, how about that? Inflation without the government going into debt.
10 years ago
I should say, "a government's borrowing is always to blame". They are usually partly to blame for a number of reasons which add up.
10 years ago
I agree most of the media is pretty left-wing oh except for maybe FOX News (Bill O'Reilly, Sean Hannity, John Gibson, Neil Cavuto, Steve Doocy, E.D. Hill, Brian Kilmeade, Brit Hume), Clear Channel, Laura Ingraham, Dr. Laura, Rush Limbaugh, Hugh Hewitt, Ann Coulter, Newsmax, G. Gordon Liddy, Michael Reagan, Michael Savage, The New York Post, Sinclair Broadcast Group (WLOS13, Fox 45, WTTO21, WB49, KGAN, WICD, WICS, WCHS, WVAH, WTAT, WSTR, WSYX, WTTE, WKEF, WRGT, KDSM, WSMH, WXLV, WURN, KVWB, KFBT, WDKY, WMSN, WVTV, WEAR, WZTV, KOTH, WYZZ, WPGH, WGME, WLFL, WRLH, WUHF, KABB, WGGB, WSYT, WTTA), David Horowitz, Rupert Murdoch, PAX, and MSNBC's Joe Scarborough but besides them the media is just saturated by liberal propoganda...
10 years ago
Heheheh dutch disease.
10 years ago
Dude our economic system of our 20m² is alot better then ur big american economy, besides whe Are europe dumbass, its like me critisising the economy of your california.
U dont know what ur talking about
10 years ago
For a start I'm not American. Second, Dutch disease occurred in the 70s while you still had the Guilder well under your own control and European integration was still in its infancy thanks to de Gaulle and the "Luxembourg Compromise" so it was very much a problem isolated to the Netherlands. Third I studied economics IN Europe. Any more questions?
10 years ago
And you fail to grasp the simple concept that me bringing up the Netherlands was simply an example to show it's not just a government going into debt that can make you money "getting worth less". I thought it might be something you had a chance of understanding. For that I admit that I have tried and failed.
10 years ago
KJELL, watch yourself!
10 years ago
Check yourself before you wreck yourself!
10 years ago
why do i feel like i just got slapped with an 80's beat?
10 years ago
Oranjeboom i appreciate the warning, my cell phone been giving weard sounds, some numbers not even connecting to, and yesterday a helicopter almost took of my chimney.
10 years ago
O and chairman u are so full of shit, what caused the (Dutch disease) in the first place.
Wikki says this can also be the problem.
-it can also refer to "any development that results in a large inflow of foreign currency, including a sharp surge in natural resource prices, foreign assistance, and foreign direct investment.-
So shut the fuck up hairman, u dont know what ur talking about.
10 years ago
EXACTLY YOU FUCKING IDIOT! Because you have a commodity boom so through various ways and means as you've copied and pasted above you get INFLATION. And again we return to the point I've been making to you, governments don't have to borrow to make money lose its value.

You're consistently missing the fucking point. I've already explained Dutch disease to you without the details since they're unimportant to the point being made here which is: GOVERNMENTS GOING INTO DEBT AREN'T ALWAYS TO BLAME FOR INFLATION (THE LOSS OF YOUR PURCHASING POWER). You say the only way to lose purchasing power is through the government borrowing, Dutch disease is just one example to show that this isn't always the case.

I know what I'm talking about, you know what you're talking about since you had to go look it up. But you're always missing the point being made.
10 years ago
I'm not saying inflation caused Dutch disease, I'm saying inflation is a symptom of Dutch disease.
10 years ago
what ???
Wikki says this can also be the problem.
-it can also refer to "ANY development that results in a large inflow of foreign currency, INCLUDING a sharp surge in natural resource prices, FOREIGN ASSISTANCE, and foreign direct INVESTMENT.-

investment with a reason u stupid bitch ?
Set up, u understand ?
I bet not.

10 years ago
And no i am not talking about governments, i am talking about the capitalist who controll, (invest)
10 years ago
Foreign or not.
Stupid monkey, and plz shut the fuck up.
10 years ago
Wow, dredging up old shit eh? Lucky I'm here to sort you out, again. Go read a fucking textbook on economics before you decide to use Wiki as your intellectual crutch. I recommend one by Kindleberger so long as you do a quick refresher in the first section of the book.

You just don't get it do you? The huge inflow of foreign exchange in Dutch disease occurs due to a commodity boom.

Dutch disease deals explicitly with commodity booms crowding out the rest of the economy making non-tradables expensive and the export sector uncompetitive.

FDI and financial aid are other potential causes of crowding out. But it is NOT Dutch disease. Dutch disease ONLY looks at a commodity boom crowding out. Your source is incorrect, go and read a REAL textbook.

And you were talking about governments. To quote you back (terrible spelling pasted in for effect), "the more a govrn loans from ur money the bigger ur debt gets translated in taxes to fill the hole.
U pay more taxes earn less."

Whether you choose to mistakenly continue to believe that Dutch disease is a label for any type exogenous shock which crowds out a chunk of the economy and causes inflation it still proves my ORIGINAL POINT which contradicts the quote I have made above. Governments going into debt is not the only way inflation can occur.

So if you're not a stupid monkey yourself you'll recite something nice out of Kindleberger for me instead of relying on something written by God knows who.
10 years ago
Your error stems from the quote being put into Wiki out of context.

If you look at the original source at the IMF you'll see they mention using Dutch disease MODELLING to analyse other phenomenon that creates large inflows of foreign currency. It's not unusual to take a model for something and use it on another issue to draw new conclusions.

Here is my olive branch, that you blindly quoted something from Wiki which was taken from another source out of context.
10 years ago
Big talk coming from a guy who took a shot in the mouth. (Jay and Silent Bob: Strikes back)

I agree with him anyways
10 years ago
He blew his own brains out?
10 years ago
Damn, I just shat out today's lunch and now my asshole burns... seems jalapeños go right through me anymore. Damn my butthole really burns... (and before you cunts spitfire with some "witty" replies about my anus.... it's old news and I knew it was coming so save your energy) That is all.
10 years ago
MY ENERGY NEED NOT BE SAVED!

HAHAH i bet your...used to your....asshole burning.....hahhah..hah..ha......APATHY HELP ME!
10 years ago
Shut up Asian
10 years ago
My asshole doesn't burn anymore.
10 years ago
Oke you good
10 years ago
When too much is owned by too few, it gets taken from them, and not gently.
10 years ago
"when you don't get given you learn to take"
10 years ago
I like you guy's, the love will unite us :)
10 years ago
I can feel the warmth....

Shit the house is on fire!!
10 years ago
i lolled at that comment
10 years ago
I cummed
10 years ago
no offense to george ...but he's a rich guy that charges outrageous prices for tickets to hear him talk about other rich guys taking your money
10 years ago
Well, there's George Carlin rich and then there's the kind of rich he's talking about. But he's a little suspect railing about all this after lining his pockets with long distance money.
10 years ago
i don't think he's a bad guy or anything..probably most of what he's sayin here is true..and it'll only cost you 150 dollars to hear him say it
10 years ago
The difference is you can choose to pay him or not pay him. The kind of people he is talking about, will spend your tax dollars convincing you that more tax dollars should go to some cause that has the end result of making their portfolio rise.
10 years ago
i'm not really tryin to slag george in particular...you're right wanko . i agree totally
10 years ago
no comedian is cheap anymore... even hacks like dane cook charge outrageous prices.
10 years ago
Dude here you have a choice to buy the ticket or not.
Taxes have to be payed, besides half of the crooud are hired killer waiting to strike, so why not charge even more :)
10 years ago
Uhm... well said!
10 years ago
The thing is: at no point in history has the situation been any different. With feudalism and monarchy you got a small elite of total psycho goons and a bunch of religious fucks taking EVERYTHING. It's no different, really, with our corporate masters, it's just that now (if we're lucky) we get to have some cool gizmos while being a wage slave.
10 years ago
I think his point is that maybe it should be different. Make it into what we pretend it is.
10 years ago
Yeah, I know. But I don't buy this "free your mind" bullshit. Free your mind and you're still a fucking slave with a boot to your throat. Just you're now painfully aware of it.
10 years ago
The other option is to understand how things work, then instead of being pissed off and doing something stupid (or after that), you use your brain and take advantage of the system. You can make a lot of money.
10 years ago
Like, with hookers?
10 years ago
Lucky or unlucky... plain and simple. if you want to be rich, either invent cold fusion or try and win the lotto.
10 years ago
There's no luck involved. Simply look at the rather distasteful government agenda, and rather than get irrationally mad about it, or deny it as a paranoid fantasy, bet on it happening and grow your money in the markets. Or sit around and feel unlucky and complain about the shitty jobs and use the lotto as a retirement plan.
10 years ago
I said it before and I'll say it again: "kill everything"
10 years ago
Not just a wife?
10 years ago
Killawife's people to kill list:
1.wife
2.everything else
10 years ago
I noticed it's true about the selection of shitty jobs. The only alternative (other than creating your own country) is creating your own corporation, but it's tough with the current competition. I remember hearing about all the recent mergers, I didn't realize how bad it's gotten recently. It's hard to keep up with the trends anymore...
10 years ago
you know i work a job not a great job or a perfect job but i still get up in the morning and go to work so i can pay my fucking bills and be able to put 200 dollars away every two weeks and try to survive the next week after payday and when i have saved up enough money i take my family fishing, camping and any thing i can find to do for a vacation and its my vacation that makes everything alright for me i have done incredible things while vacationing and i only hope everyone gets to do this because while im vacationing everything else and everyone else in the world dont fucking matter me the only that does is my family and their happiness i just got back last night from fly fishing in bishop california and you know what the night sky was so clear that with my binoculars i saw jupitar and its moons i saw a white fucking streak in the sky that was the milky way and everyday that i live in the city i dont get to see that ever so enjoy life and vacation
10 years ago
You saw a white streak in the sky and that was the milky way?
10 years ago
You are still a corporate whore!
10 years ago
Well the days of me reading political/ religious comments & getting involved are loooooooooong gone. Back in the day I would have pointed out why I believed they are wrong & what I believe is right, now I just read the comments mentally mark these people who say things I dont agree with as idiots and move on.
10 years ago
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