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Penn and Teller - gun control

9 minute clip of Penn and Teller's Bullshit show.

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by El_Wanko

submitted April 18th 2007

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shhhh! dont give any reason for people to actually think with their brains on this issue!
10 years ago
Well I could always crack out the phrase more widely used by conservatives that relying on comedians shows how weak an argument is. Wait that would be hypocritical for me to do and I'm sure no-one else pulls the same hypocritical stunt.

By the way it's not aimed with you in mind, just tacking it onto the theme.
10 years ago
So then every argument Penn and Teller have made is weak? I guess Peta doesn't suck!
10 years ago
I wasn't even trying to suggest it was a weak argument. I was making a parallel to accusations made when comedians take a certain view on a variety of issues.
10 years ago
chairman when conservatives have a weak argument they usually refer to the bible not penn and teller
10 years ago
good point.
10 years ago
I think that only serious hunters and criminals should have guns
10 years ago
I think that only hunters and criminals should have guns.
10 years ago
What about serious hunters?
10 years ago
I relaxed my requirements a bit. Happens at this old age you know.
10 years ago
Thousands of guns in the hands of hundreds of citizens...I'm picturing hundreds of Punisher wannabes.
10 years ago
Hang on, to ensure the government is held to account? That's sure as hell worked for at least the last hundred years or so.
10 years ago
You u.s. americans are shooting each other for decades now, but you are still here. those guns of yours can't be very effective.
10 years ago
hm...so for a guns to be effective they have to kill every person in the country in which they are used?
10 years ago
I like Penn & Teller but thankfully I see through a lot of their bullshit. The two largest incidents in recent history are Columbine and Virginia Tech. Are they suggesting that kids going to school should all have guns? Can you imagine a bunch of 16 to 18 year olds carrying a gun to class. Sure nobody could walk into a school and kill 32 people all at once but don't you think that at least 1,000 kids a year will get into a fight at school? How many of them are going to restrain from using their firearm?

I'm guessing the occasional wacko that takes out a classroom full of people every 7 years is a smaller number of people killed than the if everyone was carrying a gun.
10 years ago
I completely agree with you. Well, except I can't stand Penn and Teller normally. This short was a little better until the last 15 seconds and then it just went to complete shit. Paranoia isn't such a healthy trait.
10 years ago
Agreed, no need for kids to carry. However the teachers are a different matter.
10 years ago
So you simply ensure that in a classroom a teacher at least will get shot first. I like your thinking.
10 years ago
The last 15 minutes was the most important. When a goverment is going as far as forcing children onto SSRI's (there are now cases where CPS will take the kids from their parents unless they are drugged up), then something is wrong. These are the same drugs that you'll find a shooter was on in almost every damn school shooting for the last decade and a half or so. (The ones where SSRI's are not proven to be involved are the minority, where the toxicology isn't released). Even Mr. Let's-get-bullets-off-the-kmart-shelves Micheal Moore is now saying these drugs are the real problem.

But yeah, paranoia is very unhealthy. If you were paranoid, you would have doubted government science that showed DDT was perfectly healthy. You would have been smart and realized that leaded gas was a good thing. Only a paranoid person would question herione being passed off as a non-addictive substitute for morphine. You'd have to be paranoid to think that, just because the mass shooters always are on these drugs, that someone how the two are related.
10 years ago
*wasn't a good thing.
10 years ago
That's almost hilarious. People are seen as over-zealous by trying to restrict access to deadly tools designed for killing but coming out but saying that every kid is being turned into a psychotic killer because they're being over medicated isn't?

So lets run with the medication "epidemic" and see the next problem. Oh wait, the gunmen easily obtained these weapons without even needing to break the law. They had access to weapons which are designed with the capability to kill a number of people in a short space of time and there was no comprehensive system of licensing and registration to either prevent them from purchasing nor flag them as potential dangers should they have purchased them before their troubles started.

Now let me get this straight, people are prepared to go to an airport, take their shoes off, have to carry any liquids in 100mL clear plastic containers in clear plastic bags. But FUCK YOU if you even think about not letting me carry both my large magazine, rapid fire handguns under my jacket around town because Grandma's knitting needles pose a threat 100 times greater on TWA from Kansas to Tallahassee.
10 years ago
in toronto there was briefly a couple of drive thru beer stores. now in a way what's the difference between drive thru and having parking spaces in front of the beer store...right? except that if u were planning on drinking and driving it would be pretty convenient to have a drive thru beer store. See the parralell?
10 years ago
There's no parallel there.
10 years ago
Yes, more of a perpendicular.

I drove through a beer store once. But I was already drunk. And it wasn't a drive-thru store.
10 years ago
wanko funny arrrrgghh
10 years ago
ya..dik..I think only hunters should have drive thru beer stores. What's the hunting like in toronto?
10 years ago
Yeah, can plantshit get killed by a bear there?
10 years ago
theres lots of squirrels in toronto. plantshit could start there ,then maybe a crow or a seagull. then work his way up the rankings till hes ready for his shot at the big time.
10 years ago
i love how the show is named bullshit, because you have to wade through penn and , well just penn the other guyy is a prop, bullshit ideas. sometimes they get it, other times..ugh..
10 years ago
every butthole in south central LA has a gun, and theres gun killings every day. Its just so normal it's not on national news. I'm sure there are times that a good guy with a gun could prevent additional killings. But come on...
10 years ago
and to think we have like 1 casualty by gunfire a year, here in amsterdam..
10 years ago
Amsterdam is a good place. I like Holland.
10 years ago
Amsterdam doesn't have angry or scared people compared to the States, we gotta worry about our foolish poor and our government doesn't have the know how to run or protect such a giant country effectively, so our citizens need guns to protect themselves in the mean time.
10 years ago
All I have to say about this so called "right to carry a firearm" and that is SERVES YOU RIGHT FUCKERS. You are holding a gun on half of the world trying to imlement your "democracy". Who in hell gave you this right to bully the world. Well what goes around comes around. I am just sad that he didnt put the bullets in the right heads.
10 years ago
Shut up before I shoot you.
10 years ago
Go ahead El_wanker your gun problem is allready to big to solve anyway. I will be glad watching CNN some day with gunshots fired behind the studio. Once and for all times you yourself will clean this world of idiots while shooting on eachother.
10 years ago
Go ahead El_wanker your gun problem is allready to big to solve anyway. I will be glad watching CNN some day with gunshots fired behind the studio. Once and for all times you yourself will clean this world of idiots while shooting on eachother.
10 years ago
Hey, if guns are so bad, then why didn't the homicide rate in England, Australia, or Canada, fall after gun control came into effect? Why doesn't it rise when gun laws are relaxed? Why aren't there tons of shootings, instead of a very low crime rate, in that American town (kennesaw or something) where adults are legally required to own a gun?
10 years ago
In Australia at least the homicide rate is significantly more favourable than the US to begin with and I think that has pretty much always been the case. With around 20 million people you can only go so low before you start bumping against the lower countries which have significantly less people.

On top of that it was in more in response to mass shootings than a consistent rate of gun-related homicide. The mass shootings were primarily possible due to the availability of high capacity, high powered and relatively quick firing weapons available for sale legally and it was these that were restricted. Incidentally what you refer to as "gun control" is actually the tightening of existing gun laws both state and federal, hence the already low gun crime rate. There was already a strict licensing and registration system for decades. Later on they were tightened yet again to make handguns less powerful, carry less rounds and be of a minimum size to make it less difficult to conceal (despite it being crime for decades before). Gun laws have never been relaxed here so your last point is moot.
10 years ago
And in this town what is the consequence of not keeping a gun? Are the mentally ill and convicted criminals required to keep one too?
10 years ago
Agreed. The murder rate in London has gon through the roof so far this year. 28 "street" murders in four inner London Burroughs so far this year when we only had 8 in the whole of last year. Now that probably doesn’t sound very many to the average American but the whole point is criminals can get their hands on guns when our government has banned all handguns (excluding muzzle loading pistols would you believe!). So criminals can arm themselves and cause havoc, but I as a respectable (other than my MS fetish) citizen can’t even defend my family or property.

We had zero gun control laws in the UK up until 1921. Why did the establishment start the process of restriction? Was it because of the massive murder rate? No it was because they were looking east to the USSR and crapping themselves that an armed citizenry could decide to change the establishment by non democratic means. Since 1921 more and more restrictions have been put in place to the point where a freeborn Englishman can’t own any weapon other than three classes of weapon (muzzle loading, bolt action and shotgun). Gun control laws only get tougher as time goes on. For gods sake I cant even own a shotgun that will take more than two rounds in the magazine or an air rifle with more than 12ft lbs of pressure with out a fire arms licence.

Anyhow rant over for a bit.

Rob
10 years ago
wanko get yer facts straight canada has always had deeper gun control laws. its not something new . you're makin this up as u go along
10 years ago
In that town, exceptions are made for people who can't obtain a gun 'cause of the reasons you gave, or just being unable to afford one. The law was put in as a response to a nearby town that banned guns. People claimed it would be like the wild west over again and was a terrible idea, but nothing of the sort happened.
10 years ago
The gun laws I Canada I'm referring to are the recent C-17 and C-68, both designed to make it harder and more expensive for citizens to aquire guns.

Canada is interesting because there are thousands of people with the Canadian version of the concealed weapons permit (called an "athorization to carry"). Most Canadians do not know that many private citizens are licensed to carry a handgun, without being cops or security. Most would be surprised that an Authorization to Carry even existed. Part of the reason is likely because no one with one of these permits has ever done anything stupid with their gun and drawn attention to themselves.
10 years ago
So the results of a sleepy little town should be extrapolated to work everywhere else? Again, nice logic.

And Australia is not Canada so I do not understand why you bothered to lasso a country which doesn't fit your opinion into an argument unless you were desperately seeking a third anglophone country in attempting to build a case.
10 years ago
Well, with the sleepy town, the conjecture was that everyone having a gun would cause more shootings and crime. It did not. The conjecture was wrong.

The conjecture in passing gun laws for countries is that it result in less crime and murder. Please show me a country where this has been true. I only know of the results in Australia, Canada, and England... and it didn't help two shits there. When crime rates did fall in any of these countries, they were falling even faster in the US.

But if you have an example of where gun control did work, rather than conjecture of what might happen, then bring it to the table.
10 years ago
You have obviously forgotten my explanation as to the homicide rate in Australia.

Again gun laws have been tightened after mass shootings. Although already rare, they have been even more far between after further tightening than their peak. And yes this would be in an environment not much unlike the US. Comparable rates of mental illness, supposed over-medication, economic prosperity etc etc. Pretty much most of whatever you could mention.
10 years ago
1997, nearly 600k guns confiscated, and half a billion AUD spent destroying them. Tighter licensing regulations implemented. Although gun homicides are down, the overall rate remains unchanged. Robbery rates rise. Multiple-victim homicides rise (I don't know if those were mass shootings or bombings or what.)

If nothing else, gun control seems to be an extreme waste of money. Even if gun control did end up saving lives... how many more could have been saved if that 1/2 billion had been spent more wisely? I think Canada is up in the billions with their gun registration program already - think of how that could have changed their hospitals, helped out with doctor shortages, etc.

As for drugs... The US is a world leader in over-medicating children. Schools get more funding, based on how many kids they can diagnose with ADHD and put on ritalin. I can't see australia having caught up yet, but I can't find the numbers.
10 years ago
lets all just agree that the usa is fucked up
10 years ago
As I said before and referred you back to, the overall homicide rate is already favourable for a developed country. Doesn't it occur to you that in a particular population size there is bound to be a rate which is almost impossible to close for various reasons? Tighter gun control has more or less kept a lid on that rate by making mass shootings less likely.

Actually if you went into proper detail, the buy back scheme in 1997 was entirely funded by a surprisingly popular one-off 1% income tax increase for a year. Hardly money pissed up the wall and definitely one of the very few political decisions I have respect for in their 11 years of government.
10 years ago
I agree with that chick. She obeyed a bad law and her family got killed right in front of her. You can't legislate away my right to protect myself and my family. /rant
10 years ago
really though, how many times do circumstances like that actually happen?
10 years ago
" A well armed society is a polite society."
10 years ago
ya real real polite...or else
10 years ago
...is a scared society. most americans live in fear if you haven't noticed.
10 years ago
I'm American and I don't live in fear. I live in Japan. Nice and safe here, very peaceful.
10 years ago
look assholes i have a gun and i don't think there's anyth.....bang...................
10 years ago
by the way rosie just got fired from the view.... and motherfuckers look back in the comments..i called it...i am so cool now...so cool
10 years ago
you should get the cool award
10 years ago
that would make me feel good inside. in an empty, sad kinda way.
10 years ago
Why don't you anti-gunners wake the fuck up. We have over 200 million guns in this country. They're not going away. Why is that everyone equates gun ownership with the right to carry. There are laws in place that require training prior to carrying a handgun. Granted, the training should be more comprehensive, but the fact remains that one firearm in the hands of someone trained to use it and licensed to carry it could very well have altered the outcome at Virginia Tech.
10 years ago
In any number of ways.
10 years ago
burningwhatever....aaaaaaaaaaahahahahahaha
10 years ago
No dikhead, You're absolutely right. Let's start by banning all guns. Then, when we get done with that, lets ban computers so that pedophiles can't get on my space.com and target kids to molest. Then, let's ban cars so that drunks don't run over people. Hell, let's even ban hot coffee so that some dumb motherfucker does'nt burn himself. Above all, let's never blame bad non attentive parents or anyone in particular because it's always the fucking mechanism's fault, never the human behind it.
10 years ago
Yes because when somebody says something should be controlled a hell of a lot better, they automatically imply that everything else need not change.

And again we come around to what makes guns different from computers, cars and coffee in what needs more regulation. Guns have only one practical and primary purpose and that is to kill and injure. The practical benefits of the other items you and others randomly pick far outweigh any possibility that they could be used to kill or injure.
10 years ago
You don't fix a problem by simply enacting more legislation. I will agree that if we could make all firearms disapear as well as the means to manufacture them I would gladly give mine up. However, the real world dictates that we should have and subsequently need the right to defend ourselves. Cho did'nt legally carry that gun onto campus and the next crazy bastard won't either.
10 years ago
to me the gun control issues discussed in this hellhole are obvious. but i'm canadian
10 years ago
burningbagofpoo cho LEGALLY owned those guns. not even a citizen of the great US, he bought handguns legally. And nobody is sayin it'll solve every fuckin gun problem right away , but legislation is where it starts! much much high penalties would at least make some of the yokels packin heat think about it.
10 years ago
Besides,COTB, you missed the point of my rant. Sooner or later this country will have to realize that we do have responsibility for our actions and that dire actions should require dire consequences.
10 years ago
Nobody is stupid enough to pretend that controlling guns is the be all and end all of crime prevention.

I agree more legislation is bad. Less legislation is infinitely better so long as it is more effective and stops the sort of stupid shit that gets 32 people killed because it falls through either a legal loophole or the cracks of bureaucracy and authority.

Responsibility for one's actions is paramount and consequences should follow but it does not mean the general public should necessarily be empowered with the means to easily dispense with what they feel is the justified consequence. That sort of power historically gets abused quickly and disorder can set in.
10 years ago
More legislation is bad but better legislation is good. I find it unfathomable that not all state require intensive background checks and waiting periods, fucking A!
10 years ago
5 days? But I'm angry now!

The dude was a fuckup, in an out of mental hospitals for years and on fucking drugs. They should have shot him instead of sending him to school. That's how you use guns!
10 years ago
Dik, I never said that he illegally owned the guns. Legislature should be passed to prevent mentally ill people from owning all firearms. I said that he broke the law by carrying the guns onto campus. What law do pass to keep people from breaking the law?
10 years ago
Dik, I never said that he illegally owned those guns. Virginia legislation is allready underway to prevent mentally disturbed people from owning guns as it should be. I said he illegally carried it onto campus. What law do you pass to keep people from breaking the law?
10 years ago
i'm just sayin legislation is where it has to start now. now that america's stupid gun laws have yet again gone awry.
10 years ago
10 years mandatory prison for an illegal handgun....then do u think every wannabe gangster is going to be walking around the street wit a gun??????? man think about it
10 years ago
it's a start
10 years ago
I do agree that severe consequences are necessary. The only way criminals will be deterred from their actions is to fear the ramifications from those actions. It always seems, however, that immediately following any situation that a politician's knee-jerk reaction is always to pass more legislation instead of reviewing and subsequently correcting existing legislation. Encarcerated criminals commit less crimes and dead criminals damn sure commit less crimes.
10 years ago
Incarcerated,sorry
10 years ago
Sorry about the double post, my computer locked down
10 years ago
Hmm, sounds a bit like neocon gone comedy if you ask me with these Penn and Teller jerks.
How cheap is this for example:
"How does a guy with a mile long rapsheet get a gun? The same way criminals do a lot of things, they break the law."
yeah maybe right, but the fact that it is so easy for a criminal to get his hands on a gun in the US is BECAUSE there are so many around lol! And every "illegal gun" was at some time legal! Just look at countries with the toughest restrictions on firearms like Japan, a country with over 120 million ppl and only circa 15 murders where firearms where involved a year!! in the US with 280 million more than 10000.
The context is fucking obvious even for a smart 10 year old... :/
10 years ago
Its not the absence of guns that make Japan safe, its the absence of niggers. (sorry, just had to be said)
10 years ago
"Every illegal gun was at some time legal" huh? You want to back that up? Look at England with their super ass gun control - less than 12% of the gun crimes are commited with guns that were ever registerd, owned legally, or legal within those borders in any stretch of the imagination.

Look at little further, pretty much the only time a legal gun was used, that 11% chunk, it was in a domestic dispute. It wasn't a gang war (0% legal guns used in organized crime), mass shooting, or anything like that. It was used by someone who would have just found another way to kill their cheating bitch (the homocide rate didn't go down with gun control, so it can be concluded that people just find a subsitute when they really need to murder.)
10 years ago
By the way, magoo, you just said that a country with few firearms has fewer firearm murders. Thanks for that heaping pile of steaming genius.

Of course less guns mean less gun deaths, but do they mean fewer homocides overall? The answer is always 'no'. Fewer green cars on the road would result in fewer people dying in green cars... they'd get killed in blue ones instead... so fucking what? Let's ban green cars anyway.
10 years ago
Stricter gun laws mean that illegal and unregistered guns make up the bulk of gun crime? No way, that could never, ever be true! I don't know how that proves stricter laws hasn't reduced gun crimes. Seems to me it would lower the overall figure since it's been made that much harder to either obtain or use a legal and registered gun in a crime without being traced.

Now that logic at the very least can't be any more tortured than the one you used.
10 years ago
I admit, it's not much of a point either way, I'm just responding to the claim that 'every illegal gun was at some time legal', like all the guns on the street are just stolen from people's houses or something. And therefore we shouldn't let people own guns legally. But, that's not what happens. That 11-12% is the guns that were registered or legally owned, ever. It includes ones stolen from the legal owners.

So they register the guns.. homocide doesn't go down, and the ones used by crimminals aren't registered in the first place so it doesn't help solve crimes... so what was the point? How did that help anything? Wasn't it a load of - as Penn and Teller would say - Bullshit?

No lives were saved, no good was done, just personal rights were lost. If nothing else, the registries are a waste of money.
10 years ago
hehhe "homocide"... fuck this site has twisted my head...
10 years ago
But you and I have no idea what happens to homicide if obtaining a gun is easier and the authorities have a diminished ability to track a greater percentage of guns "in the wild" i.e. unknown to exist by authorities. You're talking about a country with strict gun laws and you're not addressing what might the number have been if they weren't there. In effect you're ignoring the invisible slice on top of existing homicides which <might> have been there if not for strict laws.
10 years ago
Well, my point does still exist!
@Tyler_Durden, ok let me put it this way your argument is that you cant culturally compare the US with Japan because of different histories, mentalities, higher immigration etc. Then take a look at other comparable western european countries with high immigration etc. like the UK. There are approximately 45 murders a year where firearms where involved, population 60 million.
@burningsensation, the difference is that guns are not produced(manufactured) illegally like drugs are! The guns you named are not per se illegal. Im sure if you are a gun collector you can purchase(maybe only with some sort of licence or whatever but still) these guns in the States! And most crimes are in fact commited with 9mm Handguns that where once legally bought and ended up on the street with scratched serial numbers.

There are more than 200 million firearms in the US today, you can't be that stupid to don't see the point here "less guns = less gunmurder - more guns = more gunmurder"
And at the end it doesnt really matter if the gun used in a murder was legal or illegal, its a matter of how your country is flooded with them like the US is...and we all can see with the 10000 gunmurders a year where it leads to when every jimmyjerkoff possesses one! So Im glad that we have in Europe tougher gunlaws and are looser on prostitution and druguse where you yanks have the stick tight up your arses xD
10 years ago
You can't be that stupid that you don't see the point "less guns = less gunmurder" has no relevance to anything. The overall homicide rate is relevant. What does it matter how someone is murdered? Is getting shot worse than getting kicked to death? Gun control does not change the overall homicide rate. Less guns does not mean less people getting killed, even if it means less people shot to death. The same amount of people get killed, just in different ways.
10 years ago
Chairman, sure I do. There's states where the guns laws have been relaxed. No more murders or crime because of it. Often less. Check the numbers.
10 years ago
Of course the high homicide rate stands in context to all your guns floating around!
US crime statistic:
Murders: 12,658
Murders (per capita): 0.042802 per 1,000 people
Murders with firearms: 8,259 <<----
Murders with firearms (per capita): 0.0279271 per 1,000 people
Rapes: 89,110
Total crimes: 23,677,800

http://www.nationmaster.com/country/us-united-states/cri-crime


10 years ago
"Is getting shot worse than getting kicked to death? Gun control does not change the overall homicide rate. Less guns does not mean less people getting killed," I'd like to see how a drive-by kicking would work.
10 years ago
And I was talking about a <country>. <Not> a <state> which is part of a country already relatively awash with guns legal or otherwise. So no you don't.
10 years ago
And I don't for that matter.
10 years ago
So a good kicking is just as easy as killing someone with a gun?
10 years ago
That seems to be the case.
10 years ago
@Mr Magoo
No dude, my arguement was that there are no niggers in Japan.
10 years ago
and take all those fancy statistics you got there and remove all crimes commited by niggers. We'd be like fucking singapore!
10 years ago
Asshole.
10 years ago
I win!
10 years ago
Ok, maybe kicking someone to death isn't as easy as shooting them. But it's a hell of a lot more fun.

Stabbings actually end in death more than shootings. I guess because the stabber tends to keep stabbing until it's over.

In defense of Tyler's point, a Canadian study done before and after the 1977 changes to gun control laws found that the number of immigrants was a significant predictor of homicides, as was the number of young men, natives (injuns), and the unemployment rate in an area. The number of guns was not, and the law had no effect on the number of homicides. But saying that the number of niggers , as Tyler did, or immigrants or indians, is a better predictor of the murder rate isn't nice. (I think you can get away with blaming young men and the unemployed if you phrase it correctly.) Blaming guns is smart and progressive though, so we should do that instead. It's a good way to avoid actually fixing the problem or offending anyone.
10 years ago
And yet how many successful mass stabbings have you heard of?

A correlation in at least one country between murders and immigration does not make it a rule. Australia has always been a country which accepted immigrants and asylum seekers (despite the government's best efforts). Over the last few years we've had a particularly significant influx of asylum seekers from strife-torn parts of Africa (niggers in some people's parlance) and there has been no jump in any sorts of crime.
10 years ago
@El_Wanko, "Stabbings actually end in death more than shootings"
Well thats bullshit and you would know that if you read the stats I posted and didn't just ignore them. Whatever this isn't even on the frontpage anymore so fuck it...
10 years ago
only 'hardcore' discussers visit threads after expiration date :P
10 years ago
The statement that all illegal guns were once legal is incorrect.
The Mac 10s, Uzis, and other fully automatic weapons have always been illegal. Keep in mind that in a country where we can't keep out illegal aliens we sure can't keep out illegal weapons.
10 years ago
You're right... but... use the fucking reply button!
10 years ago
Only white landowners should eb allowed to have guns. They had it right the first time.
10 years ago
What about those that don't own any white land?
10 years ago
69 opposing views on gun control,all have their relevance,but does any of it really matter when your going through your every day lives?The facts remain,the world is a big shit sandwich and we all have to take a bite...
10 years ago
You first.
10 years ago
sandwiches...mmmmmmmmm
10 years ago
Can I have mine with mustard? Seriously, what's great about this debate was Penn's basic premise which really had nothing to do with gun control. It's the fact that despite our opposing opinions
we are allowed to have them without being dragged into the street and shot.
10 years ago
That comedian in this vid is fucking stupid.
10 years ago
This will disappear from the front page of the site tommorrow, so I'll just ask this:

If we don't have guns, then how the fuck are we gonna shoot plantshit? Think about it.
10 years ago
Crossbow.
10 years ago
Catapult.
10 years ago
Circus cannon.
10 years ago
Bring on the dancing bears!
10 years ago
next time i get shot at a gun show ill let you guys know
10 years ago
screw the "left" and "right", they do not want to do anything but keep the peasants disarmed.
10 years ago
recover password