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Pentagon clip released

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by johnny-ringo

submitted May 19th 2006

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They're dipping girls in wax down at the wax museum!
11 years ago
SOOO STICKY GUYS LOLOLOL!!!oneone53!
11 years ago
this doesnt prove shit.
11 years ago
i hate to say it, but that was no commercial jet. wait, no i dont hate to say it, i just hate the fact that fat mother fucker, Alex Jones(i think, with the conspiracy theory website that doesnt prove shit) was right about it.
11 years ago
...did that van like hit a spike strip or something?

And of course it wasn't a fucking jumbo jet look at the size of the hole.
11 years ago
yeah, it had to have been going mach 2.13 in order to not get caught on film, thus... it was not a commercial plane, also, the white line before the explosion is a vortex of air... planes cant create those... so... either the government took out some frames, or its total bullshit.
11 years ago
I don't know about you guys... But this isn't the new video that they have released. I saw this back in 2001, or probably 2002. It's probably here in the archive, or I might actually have it on my computer. THis is just some dumbass reposting
11 years ago
Actually, it IS a new video. just one that is shot a few feet away from the original video. all we really got out of this was one new frame of footage. and it STILL does not show a 757
11 years ago
if you think that the pentagon was hit by something other than a plane then you must be the most ignorant blind faggot there ever was. Can you not look at all the pictures and find all of the plane parts or has all of your constant masturbation taken its toll on your vision? All those conspiracy theorists are in it for money to sell there retarded videos for money to poor bastards like you. And for all the people that are asking why did the government just release this now its because it was evidence used against one of the planners of 9/11 who was just convicted.
11 years ago
ok, for one, grim, you can clearly see something for a sec there, but thanks for the physics. fuck, it sure looks like a missile, NO?
11 years ago
i think everything is fake and that you cannot believe in anything. I believe that all of you dont exist and that this page is just a fabrication of my brain. I believe that cheese is actually little girl feet and that when I eat the cheese my brain thinks I have just seen an explosion.

LOL. Or, it's the actual footage of the plane hitting the pentagon. I love it how everyone is such an expert on things that have never happened before. The twin towers, cheneys gun weilding antics.

Aww. Fuck it all man. Nevermind. I forgot the only american thing to say now these days is that everything is FAKE! That's right! America is just fake! We are not real anymore. We used to be, but now we cant act like it anymore. God Damn you fake AMERICA!!!!
11 years ago
Funny thing I heard some guy say was : "All this video shows is a missle hitting the 'spare plane parts' storage room in the Pentagon." By the way Kojach, it DOES look like that van hit a spike strip! The way that fucker came screaming into frame, and stopped so goddamn fast, the only other explanation would be retro-rockets in the hood.
11 years ago
Tomahawk missile at its best! Trust me guys, we all been lied to. The pentagon is one of the most secure building in the U.S. Then why just one crappy camera shot,why no other angles,or locations,inside corridors and stuff like that. And why the automatic anti-aircraft system didnt fire? Why fighter jets didnt scrambled from andrews air force base to secure the area after the first signs of highjacked aircrafts? Having informed myself for a while on the subject ,i declare that september 11 was a big inside job to push ahead the SICKOMILITAROAJENDA of the craziest peoples on top of the government .The war machine is running ,now brace yourself for the uncertain future of mankind!
11 years ago
J4m35, watch this video, and tell me if you still think its an "airplane"
its an hour long, with shiload of proof
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5137581991288263801&q=loose+change
11 years ago
well, of all the "unsolved" conspiracy theories that have developed in our country's ENTIRE history, this is BY FAR the most convincing one that contains the largest web of known facts. If they are allowed to release this video, why not release the security footage aimed directly at the path of the "plane" along its course to the pentagon from business around the area, HUH? And tell me this if you must.....why in the world would SO MANY individuals go through the painstaking time to gather up so much information and make documentaries, I mean, there must be at least 20 or so independent documentary films made about this, which in my book is a new world record for conspiracy thoeries wouldn't you say?
11 years ago
I love conspiracy theories, as my bookshelf of Kennedy books will attest to, but there isn't any pentago conspiracy. It happened as reported. Odd that most respected non-govermental experts say it happened as reported, yet all these armchair viewers feel they understand this better than them. As I said, I love conspiracies, but this isn't one. Get over it.
11 years ago
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages/911_pentagon_757_plane_evidence.html

it makes so much more sense
11 years ago
'Really' You don't know what a tomahawk missle looks like and you can't spell Agenda.

Stfu.

Loose change isn't a shitload of proof. Watch it without the pictures and just listen. It's fucking theory with pictures that don't prove anything.

The little blasts coming out of the towers while they were falling? Try watching the architecture of the towers.
11 years ago
You guys are all retarded. I don't know how any of you ass-clowns can make a statement based upon that shitty, choppy, far away security cam footage. Can anyone even verify that this is from the Pentagon? That's ridiculuous.

There were fighter jets scrambled that day. The military protocol for scrambling fighter jets to intercept hijacked aircraft had not been implemented prior to 9/11. The FAA didn't even realize the first plane was hijacked until it had already entered NY airspace.

Oh, and by the way. At the time of the attacks, several friends of mine working at the Pentagon said there was airplane wreckage all over the damn place. A soft-skinned commercial airplane is not the most effective weapon against a fortified concrete structure, thus the relatively small hole. Against a steel and glass skyscraper...different story.
11 years ago
badassmofo, this was the security camera footage they released recently to "prove once and for all" that it was a plane actually.
to me it doesn't prove anything...
11 years ago
I wish he would post the Conspiracy Video I sent in! Queer!
11 years ago
is anyone else waiting for tiredguy to open his mouth? god he shits me!
11 years ago
LOOK AT THIS
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/may2006/170506reallylook.htm
IF YOU THINK IT WAS A JET GOOD, YOU GUYS WILL THE MOST COMLIENT....

HAVE FUN IN A CONCENTRATION CAMPs
We have enugh video shots to prove what happend,weather it be the towers that fell into a nice pile on the ground(the three only buildings to fall from fire) or the pentegon,they only need to realese the gas station video or the dot video but they wont...
11 years ago
Conspiracy theory or not, Loose Change was a truly poor attempt at debunking anything.

It asked a couple of interesting questions but since it left the best questions unanswered, went off on tangents as far as subject goes and most of all how most explanations were simply given as if they were a matter of fact without strong, if any, evidence to support it, it does not deserve to be called a documentary or even considered as good research.

People can say what they want about whether it was part of a supposed conspiracy or simply saving money but I hope they've replaced their shitty system with proper surveillance equipment.
11 years ago
Also is it me or is the perspective of the security camera slightly skewed or "fishbowled" along with its positioning which causes the images to look slightly misleading?
11 years ago
Maybe your government wants to think conspericy it keeps people busy from thinking about whats really going on! Sure they probly invented so they could test their top secret planes like stealth bomber an such.
11 years ago
For goodness sake. That's not the pentagon building. It's huge - five stories high with windows all around. That's no more than a single story building with no windows. Sheesh
11 years ago
I'm not sure what I was just watching, but I'm pretty sure it wasn't an airplane or any flying machine hitting the Pentagon. Unless I'm completely insane and I can't tell the difference between a little flash and a huge aircraft, then I couldn't begin to see the closest thing to an airplane in that video. Maybe the government thinks the US people are completely foolish and ridiculous. Maybe the government is kidding about the video. I have no other explanation for it.
11 years ago
heres a conspiracy for you... contruction on the the pentagon started september 11th 1941. creepy huh. dncarac, you are correct, the pentagon is well over 50 feet tall.

now id like to take the time to ask you, xXjasinXx, a few questions that the guy who runs a conspiracy theory website on myspace(and who, i ronically, told me that i needed to ask more questions) couldnt or never did answer(and if you are said person, then even better). if the towers were rigged to implode, then why wasnt there a nice bunlde of wires running out of it, as i see in EVERY SINGLE OTHER controlled demolition video ive ever watched. second(and im not sure if you believe this part of the theory or not) did flight 93 make a landing in cincinnati(i think its cincinnati)? and if so, why would the government who just crashed a plane into the WTC killing thousands of people worry about killing 40 other people enough to land a plane, evacuate them, and crash a something resembling a plane in to PA? and also, if this is a real video then why havent Alex Jones or said person with the myspace said a damn thing about it, when they jump ontop of every other thing that the government does?
11 years ago
Radio controlled cutter charges where previously installed in wtc 1.2and lets not forget 7.And then detonated at a specific time end of story.Explaining the molten metal pulled out of all 3 buildings sub basements months after the collapse,only cutter charges composed of thermite compound can achieve temperature high enough to melt metal.Metal melt at around 1550 celsius,while unpressurised jets fuel burns at 800 celsius,do the maths! Thermite burns at 5500 celsius!Now dont tell me WTC 7 wasnt demolished on purpose you freakin patriotics dickheads!! Oh! and who was the director of security for wtc complex? The brother of bush!Anyway,i am convinced it was an inside job,and as long as im conviced,i did my job.
11 years ago
Oh and for you johnmerrick! Yes indeed i know what a tomahawk missile looks like,and the fact that i misspelled a couple of words here and there doesn't mean i'm stupid. I'm a french canadian,now try to type a comment in french without any spelling errors and then i would respect you.....
11 years ago
^ French is a dead language.
11 years ago
anything can be a conspiricy.........my mail dident come in today...gas prices dinosours religious nuts.........i go by facts...there were explosions in the buildings that day...reporters said it firemen in the buildings said they seen blast damage....ie the secure marble slabs from the wals were ground to bits from an explosion......
the thing in the video is no 747...at all its to small....this video has been out over two years....its just that they can make it public to people without internet connections.......think of all the people that just saw that for the first time.......the bush voters.....or as i like to call them blind support......they say "ok it was a jet......damn alquida".........think how many people dont belive in globle warming...........its all a press show
11 years ago
Unbelievable. WOW! Dude, that gate was left open for like eight minutes without a guard on it!! WTF is the military coming to?
11 years ago
Did you guys ever hear about when the Japs were about to attack Pearl Harbor, people were actually waving at the planes? We didnt even know an attack was coming and there we were, waving at the death on the wind.
I wonder what Alex Jones would have to say about that. "SEE THESE PEOPLE WERE IN ON IT!! They welcomed the Japs!" BLah Blah Blah... Of course, the simplest explanation is often ignored.

Yak, I am sure no matter what footage they show, you will never be convinced. Neither will anyone else that has an already negative view of America.

Chairman, I thought you were smarter than this. It's a security camera. Of course it's fish bowled! You need an extreme wide angle so that no one can just sneak in under your nose. Also, it's on a time delay. I think they are extreamly lucky they got even a sliver of the white of the plane.

Convenience stores have better systems. But of course, convenience stores aren't covering multiple entry points. Perhaps everyone would be better convinced if they had thousands of cameras everywhere! Yeah! Oh wait, they do! And they are on the inside. But if they were everywhere on the outside, then we would have gotten better angles! I am sure they would have thought a plane hitting the Pentagon would need a better angle! Whoops! Silly of them to rely on a security check point camera.

But of course, the government knew they were going to attack themselves that day so they turned off all the necessary cameras. Right?

Oh and @ really. Why dont you go back to france, and let more muslims take over. They need more people like you to put out the welcome mats.
11 years ago
Oh yeh an the tape wasnt released to prove things once an for all ,it was the tape used in evidence at the Zacarias Moussaoui trial.
11 years ago
Hey An|me, that loose change was pretty cool. Nice find.
11 years ago
Hey K-billy,i said it wasn't muslims,its your own government. Let the time do its job,the truth is gonna surface one day...Only when all the insane actors of this unimaginable plot will be dead. Go on and see for yourself the collapse of wtc 7,and tell me it wasn't a controlled demolition...And those buildings are the first steel framed buildings in history collapsing because of fire,remember the madrid tower? it burned for 36 hours,20 something floors were burnt down,showing only the steel structure leaving.And it didn't collapse,and that is just one example out of many high-rise fire occuring in the world. Its all big bullshit to my eyes,lets face it,america is afraid to lose its superpower to the hands of an emerging dragon wich is CHINA,now they will surround it,starving it from the petrol it needs to continue their exponential growth. A big war is preparing and 911 was the starting point of it...I aint no conspiracy theorist,i'm just hard to fool,french speaking or not.And 911 events surely didn't fooled me at all!

Ty for your respect,

A french speaking citizen of quebec ,canada, i aint no separatist,and i do my best to learn your language.Even if i have absolutly no chance to speak it in quebec,my only practice field is muchosucko! Keep on teaching it to me guys and girls i appreciate it.

And i cant forget my trips to U.S.A. I was impressed by the jet fighters i saw flying over every 30 minutes or so along the east coast,but again,it wasn't on 9-11....
11 years ago
i'll repeat this link:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5137581991288263801&q=loose+change

everyone should watch this video.

if you try and say it doesn't prove anything, then how did the media prove anything? where is your proof of what you think happened? why were people being intercepted by FBI because they witnessed something, then talked to them about money and shutting up?

the point of this ALL, is there's no proof. whatever you say, there's not proof. plane parts at the pentagon?- the manufacturers said they weren't thier parts. media said they were. so it WAS a plane? proove it. al-queda arranged all this? prove it.
11 years ago
wow, i love all you fucking half-wits who think that ANY conspiracy theory is automatically a lie and leftist/psycho propaganda.

if you believe absolutely everything the government says, you are 100% retarded, plain and simple. you deserve to die a slow and painful death for eating food that i could be eating.

there's no way in hell that was a 757. It looked to be about twice the length of a car (i'm pretty sure a 757 is about ten or fifteen times a car's length), it was white, only a few feet tall and looked to be flying about 10 feet off the ground, at most.

it's hard to say what it is. there's no doubt in my mind that planes did in fact hit the twin towers (although what caused them to fall, that's a different story), but anyone who can claim that that's a plane needs a good, swift, hearty kick in his balls because anyone who can believe that certainly should never have children.
11 years ago
a dead language.
xXjasinXx
18.05.06, 15:26 anything can be a conspiricy.........my mail dident come in today...gas prices dinosours religious nuts.........i go by facts...there were explosions in the buildings that day...reporters said it firemen in the buildings said they seen blast damage....ie the secure marble slabs from the wals were ground to bits from an explosion......
the thing in the video is no 747...at all its to small....this video has been out over two years....its just that they can make it public to people without internet connections.......think of all the people that just saw that for the first time.......the bush voters.....or as i like to call them blind support......they say "ok it was a jet......damn alquida".........think how many people dont belive in globle warming...........its all a press show
crustychief
18.05.06, 15:52 Unbelievable. WOW! Dude, that gate was left open for like eight minutes without a guard on it!! WTF is the military coming to?
K-Billy
18.05.06, 16:04 Did you guys ever hear about when the Japs were about to attack Pearl Harbor, people were actually waving at the planes? We didnt even know an attack was coming and there we were, waving at the death on the wind.
I wonder what Alex Jones would have to say about that. "SEE THESE PEOPLE WERE IN ON IT!! They welcomed the Japs!" BLah Blah Blah... Of course, the simplest explanation is often ignored.

Yak, I am sure no matter what footage they show, you will never be convinced. Neither will anyone else that has an already negative view of America.

Chairman, I thought you were smarter than this. It's a security camera. Of course it's fish bowled! You need an extreme wide angle so that no one can just sneak in under your nose. Also, it's on a time delay. I think they are extreamly lucky they got even a sliver of the white of the plane.

Convenience stores have better systems. But of course, convenience stores aren't covering multiple entry points. Perhaps everyone would be better convinced if they had thousands of cameras everywhere! Yeah! Oh wait, they do! And they are on the inside. But if they were everywhere on the outside, then we would have gotten better angles! I am sure they would have thought a plane hitting the Pentagon would need a better angle! Whoops! Silly of them to rely on a security check point camera.

But of course, the government knew they were going to attack themselves that day so they turned off all the necessary cameras. Right?

Oh and @ really. Why dont you go back to france, and let more muslims take over. They need more people like you to put out the welcome mats.
fuz
18.05.06, 16:13 Oh yeh an the tape wasnt released to prove things once an for all ,it was the tape used in evidence at the Zacarias Moussaoui trial.
Jib
18.05.06, 16:57 Hey An|me, that loose change was pretty cool. Nice find.
Really
18.05.06, 17:05 Hey K-billy,i said it wasn't muslims,its your own government. Let the time do its job,the truth is gonna surface one day...Only when all the insane actors of this unimaginable plot will be dead. Go on and see for yourself the collapse of wtc 7,and tell me it wasn't a controlled demolition...And those buildings are the first steel framed buildings in history collapsing because of fire,remember the madrid tower? it burned for 36 hours,20 something floors were burnt down,showing only the steel structure leaving.And it didn't collapse,and that is just one example out of many high-rise fire occuring in the world. Its all big bullshit to my eyes,lets face it,america is afraid to lose its superpower to the hands of an emerging dragon wich is CHINA,now they will surround it,starving it from the petrol it needs to continue their exponential growth. A big war is preparing and 911 was the starting point of it...I aint no conspiracy theorist,i'm just hard to fool,french speaking or not.And 911 events surely didn't fooled me at all!

Ty for your respect,

A french speaking citizen of quebec ,canada, i aint no separatist,and i do my best to learn your language.Even if i have absolutly no chance to speak it in quebec,my only practice field is muchosucko! Keep on teaching it to me guys and girls i appreciate it.

And i cant forget my trips to U.S.A. I was impressed by the jet fighters i saw flying over every 30 minutes or so along the east coast,but again,it wasn't on 9-11....
Vermin23
18.05.06, 17:06 i'll repeat this link:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5137581991288263801&q=loose+change

everyone should watch this video.

if you try and say it doesn't prove anything, then how did the media prove anything? where is your proof of what you think happened? why were people being intercepted by FBI because they witnessed something, then talked to them about money and shutting up?

the point of this ALL, is there's no proof. whatever you say, there's not proof. plane parts at the pentagon?- the manufacturers said they weren't thier parts. media said they were. so it WAS a plane? proove it. al-queda arranged all this? prove it.
zacamo
18.05.06, 17:35 wow, i love all you fucking half-wits who think that ANY conspiracy theory is automatically a lie and leftist/psycho propaganda.

if you believe absolutely everything the government says, you are 100% retarded, plain and simple. you deserve to die a slow and painful death for eating food that i could be eating.

there's no way in hell that was a 757. It looked to be about twice the length of a car (i'm pretty sure a 757 is about ten or fifteen times a car's length), it was white, only a few feet tall and looked to be flying about 10 feet off the ground, at most.

it's hard to say what it is. there's no doubt in my mind that planes did in fact hit the twin towers (although what caused them to fall, that's a different story
11 years ago
bushy's daddy told him there might be oil under the wtc and the pentagon so he blew them up just to make sure. can never have enough money you know.
11 years ago
i dont believe everything that the govt says, or the media. i also dont believe everything alex jones and other conspiracy theorists believe. and i dont say that any conspiracy theory is automatically leftist/psycho propoganda. its only THIS conspiracy theory that is leftist propaganda.
11 years ago
For all of you that say that there is no proof that a plane hit the building then you have not looked at any photos of the aftermath because there are plane parts everywhere in the pictures from wheels to parts of an engine. If you really think the government would do this to its own buildings you should go to france with all the other smelly faggots and get killed by the muslems. And what shows that there was a missile that hit the pentagon there isnt any proof to show that. Plus there are countless eye whitnesses that report seeing a plane not a missile hit the pentagon and for the person who said they heard a missile hit is not a plane that person has probly never heard a missile or a plane flying over 500mph that low in real life. This also explains why the video only partially shows the plane. A shitty security cam is not going to waste tape taking 100's of frames per sec.
11 years ago
Would a plane as large as a 747 is, be flying as low to the ground as that video shows and at such a straight angle? Call me crazy, but if someone is crashing a jetliner into the pentagon, especially with very little to no flying experience, wouldn't you drop down from the sky onto the building, not fly diagonal (sp?) to the ground and at such a straight trajectory (sp?) and not end up hitting the ground? Make fun of my spelling all you want, but I've never heard anyone mention this before, and I want to know what other people think. It might be easily possible for all I know, but to me it seems unlikely and very hard to pull off.
11 years ago
@ J4m35 - Just watch this. its ony 5 mins long. Still think the government would not do this to its own people.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDfdOwt2v3Y
11 years ago
Really, with so many morons buying into conspiracy theories, its a wonder we ever came down from the trees.

<Still think the government would not do this to its own people.>

Its one thing to understand that the government sometimes lies and omits telling its people everything. Its quite another to expand this fact into wild conspiracies that have tens of thousands of people conspiring to commit the most heinous acts.

Bush didn't advertise the fact that he ordered hijacked civilian planes shot down on billboards around the country. This doesnt automatically imply hes also guilty of staging attacks on civilian and military targets on US soil, in order to start a war for oil.
11 years ago
Its funny how most people laughed at the "God designed the banana to fit the human hand" theory, but they buy the "Bush shot missles at the Pentagon" theory hook, line and sinker.

The banana-chimpy-bush joke implied above is left as an exercise for the reader.
11 years ago
just watch loose change, its an hour and 20 minutes long. i was convinced within the first 10 minutes, but it got so much better.
it was obviously a missle of some form, and the government is obviously hiding it, just like how bush deals with everything, if he cant fix it by breathing, then he'll cover it up like the pussy he is.
11 years ago
@ really, you said, "remember the madrid tower? it burned for 36 hours,20 something floors were burnt down,showing only the steel structure leaving.And it didn't collapse,"

One question. Was the madrid tower hit by a 747 going three times the normal speed and dumping shitloads of jet fuel into god knows where? Was it? Because if it were, and then was still standing, then I guess you would have something.

How are you automatically an expert on something that hasnt ever happened before?

@ gunner... LOL. Great point.
11 years ago
k-billy:

tool

11 years ago
Actually with regards to Pearl Harbour the Americans knew more than once of an imminent attack. The Japanese for example told Peru of its specific intentions, the Peruvians passed on this urgent information to the Americans but it was disregarded i.e. intelligence failure.

Perhaps I'll redeem my intelligence (is that even possible here?) by saying that its the fact it is not a conventional perspective that perhaps makes the plane or whatever one thinks it is, look like something else or what one wants it to be.

My experience with flight-sims a long time ago, though by no means anything authoritative, suggests a gradually flatter trajectory is much more likely to hit the target as a steep dive could easily make you overshoot.
11 years ago
<<...just watch loose change... i was convinced within the first 10 minutes>>

Thats because youre a moron.

Reread what you just typed: You are CONVINCED by a video you saw on the INTERNET after 10 MINUTES.

I suppose you think Dave Blane held his breath for 4 days in a giant cube of ice while pulling out a chicks tooth, because you saw it on the internet.

Way to apply that keen intellect with a heavy dose of skepticism. Only 10 minutes of in depth analysis, or did you take a toilet break somewhere in there?

Its good to keep an open mind, but not so open that your brain falls out.
11 years ago
I agree with CotB regarding the flat fligh trajectory.

If you think about it, a flat trajectory would also direct most of the energy laterally, and cause the most damage. As opposed to a more vertical trajectory which would tend to direct most of the energy into the ground (unless he was aiming to take out the secret UFO factory under the Pentagon.)
11 years ago
true, good points on flying straight... but since these people never actually flew 747's before, would you not think that they wouldn't be flying at such a low altitude in fear of hitting the ground before hitting their objective? It almost seems that if you want to fly straight towards a building your first time flying a commercial jet ever, you'd be slightly cautious as to go straight into the top of the building... not the middle just so you don't hit the ground first and miss it all together, where as a missle could easily be aimed right for it. Thats my personal opinion here, but hey, I'm still open to anything.
11 years ago

There is no plane in that video...

...just some condensation from the huge changes in pressure.

Look at the cop car...it's moving less than 10 feet per second. That shitty camera barely records 10 frames of the car. A 757 traveling at likely 700 feet per second is not going to show up. It was in frame for maybe 1 tenth of a second. That camera had a 90% chance of seeing nothing...and that's what we're looking at nothing.

If you look at the report the profile of the damage matches a 757 including the wings.
11 years ago
Stew,

CotB figured out that an angle of attack that was too steep might lead to overshoot, just by using a flight similator.

If CotB could figure it out on his PC at home, do you think these guys weren't:
-briefed by experienced pilots who warned them of overshoot
-flying training sims during their training in the US

Is it that far a stretch to imagine they even used the same PC flight sim that CotB used?

Seems to me a $45 flight sim game would be worth the trouble, even if it only shows you what the Washington DC area looked like from the sky, on approach.
11 years ago
K-billy,what about WTC 7? To my knowledge no aircraft strike it.But still it crumble like a deck of cards...On another note,i dont beleive an aircraft struck the pentagon because like stewie said the flight path was too low,and the fact that they show some bent lite poles on site(not in this video) only convince me of evidence planting. Lets face it, a boeing aircraft hitting a lite pole would certainly crash and burn before impact with its intended target.These aircraft are not flying tanks,they're just flimsy aluminium birds,built the lightest to carry the heaviest mass possible. Mass capacity=more cash per flight
11 years ago
well stewiex. That is a goob point. but this was a great objective for the terrorists. So they would have had to have known to fly below the radar. That suggests an attack from the side, rather than from up above. These were the better of the flyers that ill fated day.
11 years ago
@really. you said, "To my knowledge no aircraft strike it. But still it crumble like a deck of cards.."

Yes it did. I did see video of that. Hmm.... You said "crumble like a deck of cards" Well, you know.. I am going to tell you a secret. PSST! IT WAS BY THE MAIN BUILDING WHEN IT FELL!! I dont know about you. But it seems like something had to do with its doom.

11 years ago
Apart from what I've heard and saw those poles were also knocked off. If these aluminium birds are so flimsy, why is that it is not unusual for survivors to emerge from crash landings?
11 years ago
Crash landings are a controlled way of landing whitout hitting nothing,just gliding on the landing strip,but still,many times the aircraft just fall apart and most of the passenger die.And for the WTC 7 K-billy,to my knowledge this building was over built,wich means more steel than it needs to stay up.Because as we know,this building was the headquaters on the CIA, The DOD,The bunkers for city crisis management were also there,and many more important offices.So it was overbuilt for earthquake resistance,WTC 1 and 2 only scored a 2 and 2,5 on richter scale.Eliminating the vibration induced damage sustained when the two towers fell down.As for the scarse fire inside this building,well lets say me and you could extinguish it without firefighting training.And as what we see this building waspretty much intact structuraly.Even some building that were much closer from the towers didn't fall down , even if the fires were bigger inside of them.Oh its true! the other buildings weren't leased by larry silverstein for 99 years with a 3.5 billions dollars federal insurance.... Anyway,just watch how it goes down,and compare it with buildings that are brought down by controlled demolition and tell me it aint the same.....Even FEMA said they dont know why it crashed down,while on national TV,larry silverstein said they decide to PULL it! So they supposedly fight the fires inside it until 4 pm,the they decided to pull it .At around 5.30 pm the buiding collapse. These guys are good,they succeed in installing demo charges in 1 hour and a half.While competent demolition companies takes months to do the same task...Anyway,i still love you all for your personnal opinions,different or not than my views. TY
11 years ago
An unattended fire can bring down a building with a steel structure. This is the well understood Achilles's heel of steel structures.

Steel loses it's strength long before it melts. Structural steel must be protected to resist fire. Designers are careful to use the word resist...because it offers resistance not protection. The insulation is measured in terms of hours of exposure and has a limit.

In the case of the WTC fire coatings were blow off by the forces of the events making them critically vulnerable to fire. As for building 7, it is reasonable to say the explosive collapse of the twrs 1 and 2 affected the integrity of its fire resistance as well. In any event its fires were allowed to burn and its steel structure failed as might be expected.

Air liners are not flimsy. "757 weighs as much as a diesel train locomotive" and is designed to contend with loads several times that.

Also B757 doesn't use Airbus style fly by wire which can limit commanded G-loads.

There's no David Blaine style illusion here...just a series of shocking events...get on with it.
11 years ago
Really said "now try to type a comment in french without any spelling errors and then i would respect you..... "

How about "Wir übergeben." or maybe "Nehmen Sie die Frauen und die Kinder und lassen Sie mich ist."??

Perhaps "L'Amérique ! Veuillez économiser nous!" is more "French" than the others?
11 years ago
who cares, no matter how much you argue nobody will care 10 years from now. trust me, nobody fucking cares whatsoever. Just have as many sexual indiscretions as you can before 2012 and you'll die a happy man.
11 years ago
lol gunner,sadly,it's true.
11 years ago
http://www.serendipity.li/wot/aa11_missileframes.html
11 years ago
missiles?

Look at the fireman video...watch the shadow of the 767's nose come across the building. When the shadow on the wall meets the plane....you have contact.

The first small flash happens when the nose hits the wall.

The shadow of the wings follows shortly after...
It's maybe 80 feet from the tip of the nose to wing root.
On impact of the wings there's a cloud of fuel spray that outlines their shape.


11 years ago
i distinctly remember seeing footage from the media, a few weeks after the incident, wreckage off a plane sticking out of one of the sides of the pentagon building.

and it obviously was not a tomohawk missle. a tomohawk would have completely oblidirated that entire section of the structure. the hole after the accident wasnt as big as i think the hijackers intended it to be.

so far the only "conspiracy theory" which has almost convinced me, is the one about that plane in the 90's that exploded after or before it landed on newark airport i believe. or jfk airport.

there is some pretty convincing evididence that sorta suggests that it was shot down by a shoulder fired missle, but the goverment has never admited it for some reason.
11 years ago
http://www.ccdominoes.com/lc/LooseChangeGuide.html

game over loose change

conspiracy theorists, stfu please.
11 years ago
http://www.ccdominoes.com/lc/LooseChangeGuide.html

Yoduh.... great link. Thank god some's taken the time to call LC on all their grade school BS. I applaud anyone that wants to look critically at the events of 911...but don't conjure up a complete fiction and try to support it with negligent misinterpretations of available evidence.
11 years ago
tomohawk cruiser missle
11 years ago
"@ really, you said, "remember the madrid tower? it burned for 36 hours,20 something floors were burnt down,showing only the steel structure leaving.And it didn't collapse,"

One question. Was the madrid tower hit by a 747 going three times the normal speed and dumping shitloads of jet fuel into god knows where? Was it? Because if it were, and then was still standing, then I guess you would have something.

How are you automatically an expert on something that hasnt ever happened before?

@ gunner... LOL. Great point. "

Hey k-billy u fuckin idiot, the empire state building got hit by an airplane before and it didn't fall, it still up today. And the twin towers were hit once before. And what does the fact that the jets hit the buildings have to do with anything if they fell an hour after, from the bottom up...... maybe if the top fell off right where it hit then collapsed into itself it'd be a different story
11 years ago
sorry for the triple-posting but w/e

"<<...just watch loose change... i was convinced within the first 10 minutes>>

Thats because youre a moron.

Reread what you just typed: You are CONVINCED by a video you saw on the INTERNET after 10 MINUTES.

I suppose you think Dave Blane held his breath for 4 days in a giant cube of ice while pulling out a chicks tooth, because you saw it on the internet.

Way to apply that keen intellect with a heavy dose of skepticism. Only 10 minutes of in depth analysis, or did you take a toilet break somewhere in there?

Its good to keep an open mind, but not so open that your brain falls out. "

Hey fuck head, apperantly you didn't watch the movie, just because its on the internet doesn't mean its fake. I suppose you believe things just because its on the fucking news, but 90% of the time theres no fucking proof. This movie is just pure proof that can't be just some made up internet story. Its not some fucking david blaine illusion cause its right in front of your eyes common sense proof, where every bit of info is given to you. So watch the fuckin move before you open ur pussy ass mouth



@really. you said, "To my knowledge no aircraft strike it. But still it crumble like a deck of cards.."

Yes it did. I did see video of that. Hmm.... You said "crumble like a deck of cards" Well, you know.. I am going to tell you a secret. PSST! IT WAS BY THE MAIN BUILDING WHEN IT FELL!! I dont know about you. But it seems like something had to do with its doom.

There was definatley no aircraft that hit WTC 7. The official storry is that burnig debris jumped 300 ft dodging all other buildings hit the building causing internal fires which let to the implosion... the 3rd time in history that a building has fallen from fire and for the annyoing ppl like k-billy, the first building in history to fall from just fire and no plane strike
11 years ago
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